Elliman Broker Shawn Felker
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Does anyone know what the requirements are to get the "SVP" status at Elliman? I had an appt to see an apt with this idiot. The appt was at 5:00, I got there at 4:55 and waited until 5:30, then I got sick of waiting and left. I got a phone call from him at 7:00 stating he was "at a closing". Well folks, I have bought and sold tons of real estate, and never have I had a closing at 7:00pm. NEVER. His message at 7:00 was that his assistant was in the townhouse waiting for me. Wouldn't a logical person either wait in front of the townhouse, look out the window, or, even better, call the person to see what was going on????
Shawn Felker, Sr. Vice President
With over 17 years in the service industry, Shawn A.W. Felker truly has a unique edge (and his clients have a distinct advantage) when it comes to the “customer comes first” philosophy. Extremely optimistic, direct and honest, Shawn loves working with people and helping navigate them through the very intricate Manhattan real estate maze.
This is the brokers bio directly from their website....People talk about Wall St low lifes...uh, NYC real estate brokers take the cake.
nobody likes a whiner
hahaha-EPCC, how long have you been unlocking doors for people????
It was a fake listing maybe.
EPCC: And you think the broker's behavior is acceptable? If behavior isn't discuss, it will never change. nycsouth isn't whining. He/she is sharing an experience and informing others. Note to self: do not do business with Shawn Felker.
we all know the answer.... either the bar is set low or they all got the titke when apts sold themselves. had a nightmare at corcoran- he blew two buy offers in a bad market.
micheal moran and george mathews- 2 great guys (elliman).
Oh please. This is NYC. This is business. This is money. This is living. There are always unreliable people, jerks, pitfalls, hurdles, subway floods, blackouts, bad taxi drivers, uncooked hotdogs, late appointments, drunk hairdressers, crazy bicyclists, J-walkers, asshole lawyers, arrogant bankers, snobby society people, media types, unreliable contractors, brokers, surly security guards, liars, cheaters, low talkers, crying babies, bloggers.
so...how would you rank your experience of hairdressers vs. real estate agents?
I forget exactly what it is, but there's something somewhere that any broker (as opposed to salesperson) working for another broker has to be an officer, so all agents with broker's licenses end up being some sort of VP (it's been a long time since i dealt with this so i may have this wrong).
i think the vp/ svp thing is about how much gross commission is earned in a year.
nycsouth - email Shawn Felker expressing your outrage and cc. Dorothy Herman and Steven James (both emails on their website). I know each agent works for themselves, but his card says Elliman, so they're at least somewhat responsible for his actions. I am sure they will not enjoy getting that email, and I'm sure it's not a good thing for Felker for those two to be in a bad mood because of him.
Well, at a minimum, it'll make you feel better.
we had an appointment with a broker who showed up high out of his mind on crystal meth. it was outrageous. it's amazing what people think they can get away with.
I'm trying to piece together what happened. Was the agent saying that his assistant was there when you showed up, but that the assistant was inside and didn't see you? If so...ok, he should probably have been outside. Still, did you try ringing the doorbell / knocking? If not, it seems to me like this would just be a case of mixed signals -- the dude thought you were going to knock, you thought the dude would be outside. Shit, as they say, happens. His assistant probably learned a lesson from it, at the cost of your inconvenience (if not his or her job). But a screw-up wouldn't make the broker a "low-life" or "idiot."
I know this will incite righteous anger, but even if the broker just forgot about the appointment...well, we all have bad days. I work in an industry (not real estate) where mistakes can be very, very costly, but can I claim to have never forgotten a meeting? Sadly, no. So now you know the guy isn't perfect -- if you think it's therefore not worth it to give him another shot, that's your call. But slamming him publicly on the internet for a mistake...seems a bit much.
Now, ok, sure -- we don't know enough to really know what was going on. It's possible he intentionally blew you off and then lied about it by claiming that he was at a closing. Maybe he doesn't even really have an assistant. But we don't know that. Could he have been stuck at a closing that went long? Sure -- you may never have closed at odd hours, but that hardly means it doesn't happen. (In fact, that may mean that the dude is able to accomodate clients with unusual schedules.) And could his assistant have really been inside waiting for you? Sure -- like I said, shit happens, wires get crossed, etc.
I know this will incite the wrath of a certain crowd, but most brokers are just people doing a job. There are some nasty people in the profession -- and perhaps a greater percentage of nasty people than in most other jobs. But without knowing what really happened here, it's a little much to go anonymously smearing the guy as a low-life, idiot, etc. and encouraging people not to do business with him -- particularly without knowing his side of the story -- just because one showing got screwed up. Screw ups are a part of life -- it's just my opinion, but I really think this post is an overreaction.
Ok, I'll duck now so that you can hurl things at me.
"but can I claim to have never forgotten a meeting? "
try a blackberry and MS Outlook. Or one of the many other alternatives that a PROFESSIONAL should have easy access to.
"most brokers are just people doing a job."
Yeah, and?
I don't think this guy is evil ... see the thread on Michael Vick where killing dogs for fun seems to be ok with uwsmom and bigdude ... but are you seriously making excuses because a guy can't make a meeting because he "forgot?"
"And could his assistant have really been inside waiting for you?"
The assistant might have been in a home office that was represented by the broker as a bedroom ... and therefore there was no window to look out.
lol, so this assistant was inside for 30 minutes and didn't look outside ever? Didn't bother to check? Take a little peak out the door at the guy loitering outside looking constantly at his watch?
"Well, at a minimum, it'll make you feel better."
When revenge makes you feel better, it's a reasonably good indication you are a lousy person yourself.
no, this was a case that the broker had something else to do, disregarded the appt and then 2 hours later attempted to feed me a line of bs that his asst was in the townhouse-of course we pushed the buzzer to the townhouse, we stood in front of it, and we called him multiple times..no one was there-he knows it and so do i. wouldnt his asst have my phone number? wouldn't she do what a logical human would do and look out the 3 gigantic 12 foot windows in case the buzzer didn't work? my point wasn't to complain but merely warn others who might come into business contact with this individual that he isn't reliable. and this is a "SVP" for one of the largest real estate firms around. had he simply called me and said, sorry, something has come up, i am running late, etc etc, i am a reasonable person and would have said ok, then i could have made the decision as to whether i would reschedule or not. i am not seeking revenge, it just still baffles me how NYC brokers get away with anything and everything.
columbiacounty, i am going with hairdresser every day of the week!!!
"try a blackberry and MS Outlook. Or one of the many other alternatives that a PROFESSIONAL should have easy access to."
There are two kinds of people in this world: 1) people who screw up at work, and 2) the unemployed. Blackberry, Outlook, blah, blah, blah -- yet still shit happens.
"but are you seriously making excuses because a guy can't make a meeting because he 'forgot?'"
No. Mistakes happen, and sometimes they have consequences. I wouldn't expect nycsouth to go back and work with this broker again, because he obviously believes (rightly or wrongly) that the guy intentionally stood him up and lied to him. I'm not sure that's actually the case -- and we'll never get the other side of the story -- but when you miss a meeting, you always run the risk that you'll lose a client.
But it's something else entirely to go on the internet and anonymously call the guy a "lowlife," "idiot," etc. and tell everyone else not to work with him. Justification for (anonymously) attacking someone's reputation, to me, requires more than one ambiguous missed meeting.
Gosh, nycsouth, if you are interested in townhouses with 12-foot windows I would like to work with you. (*grin*)
It is in the nature of business that appointments crash into each other (I had nothing to do yesterday but one appraisal and one inspection, and of course another broker made the appraiser late so I was late to the inspection), but my BlackBerry works.
I went to Harvard, and most of my clients are either my college friends or people who meet me through former clients, so they tend to have demanding jobs, and I try to be respectful of their time.
Plus, my firm has wonderful resources to draw on, including 30 Years, whose desk is right next to mine.
If you want me, email me at ali [at] dgneary [dot] com and put "streeteasy" in the subject line.
ali r.
{downtown broker}
If all of us will make a post with each time a broker was late, or quotes more sqf, or gives ill advise (which is much worst than being late) SE could become the yellow pages. NYCsouth, posting a thread busting someone for not having the cell phone on while a rookie associate that is supposed to show you a house doesn't check you are outside looks like a frivolous suit to me...I bet in school you were a tattletale. And I am no a broker lover, I don't even have buyer's one, I do the work alone.
not
a question to the brokers.... can an assistant who does not have a RE license show the property? i thought that this was not allowed. if it was a person with a license, i would expect to have them called associates or junior agents, not assistants.
I bet in school you were a tattletale.
mimi, is that you? seriously?
litaa, I wrote my misfortunes with brokers here, but I don't like to give names, and i never started a thread because a broker was late or anything like that. Don't you think that this is a frivolous thread? Anyway, anyone can post whatever they want here, so here it is. In this subject, I am with theotherbob.
Interesting comparison of "low life" Wall St vrs. RE Broker. You should be honest and let everybody know your profession when comparing the two.
Yesterday I was indeed at a closing and while it was not at 7pm. it was at 4:30. this is why the assistant was handling the appointment for this $4500 2 bed listing on Bank. As you can imagine she had many appointments (three at once) because of the incredibly low price point. Somehow she assumed you were in that crowd. When I called you at 7pm it was to apologize that you did not get in. I was not there and not in control of the situation. Perhaps I should have done more to make amends for the late appointment, however your angry text messages and vm's full of vulgar words and name calling kind of made me feel that you were not a good fit for the unit. I must admit I am not surprised that you go to this length to attach someone without knowing the facts. You had send me a couple blackberry messages to make the appointment, we talked and had a great conversation about the property. I was excited for you to see it.....why would I intentionally blow you off?
When at a closing we shut off our phones or turn them to silent. I never received a blackberry message from you alerting me to a problem and this is how we had always communicated.
Again I am sorry for the missed appointment and the 30 minutes of your wasted time. Good luck with your search.
There is no reason for someone to be unreachable in this age of the cell phone and blackberry. Closings are slow moving affairs that anyone can pause during to look at who is calling them on a cell or blackberrying them. Missing an appointment is one thing--and perhaps once in a blue moon is understandable. But the fact that the buyer could not reach anyone for hours is unacceptable and should have resulted in the broker offering a profuse apology and some kind of amends, such as picking of the buyers and driving them to the townhouse for a make-up appointment.
There is no excuse for poor customer relations. If this agent is a pro, the agent wouldn't have left to prospective buyer so upset that they end up posting on here and/or elsewhere and bad mouthing him to anyone who listens. This suggests to me the broker is not professional and has a lot to learn. It doesn't matter what the buyer is like--there's no justification for such seemingly poor interpersonal skills and client management on the part of the broker.
I deal with dozens of people a week who are often in the midst of intensely difficult situations, and sometimes I cannot do for them what they want. Part of my job is seeing to it that even though I can't help in the way they hoped or believed I should, that they nonetheless leave feeling listened to, understanding the reasons--even if they disagree--and with an overall sense that my office was on top of things, competent, responsive, caring. If I or someone working for me fails to impart this to even those unhappy with what they are being told, then we've failed. That is what customer relations is, that is what professionalism involves.
Excuses offered and made for the broker described here fall flat. The bottom line is a buyer was left feeling treated badly. By definition this is a failure for the broker. No one else.
Kylewest, I could not agree with you more. I looked at the blackberry and never had a message. I reached out to apologize and was met with anger. For the record this is not a sale of a townhouse, it is a short term rental (three months) and an appointment was missed in error. There was not a deliberate missing of this appointment. An apology was extended. Do you have another suggestion on how amends can be extended?
EPCC thank you for your cogent post - still larfing my arz off. the two parties have spoken and we can call this one a wrap.....
Interpretation - for a short-term rental at "an incredibly low price point", you were not worth his time... Teiring the service level is his perogative, we all make trade-offs.
Wow, this was for a 3 month rental? Wow, talk about mountain of a molehill nycsouth.
SAWF, you need to get your act together generally. An SVP ought to be able to build a reliable team. And I'm not sure what the issue is with Wall Street.
There are two sides to every story, obviously; and here it seems like there's sufficient blame/less-than-sterling behavior to go around.
SAWF: Did you let NYCSOUTH know that he/she would be meeting your assistant and not you? Sounds like your assistant may not be up to the job.
Your response smacks of "this transaction was just too insignificant for me to worry much about it," and now it has come back to bite you big time.
As a sideline buyer or possibly big-ticket renter, my general impression based on this situation is that you "prioritize" in a somewhat cavalier manner; I wouldn't use your services for fear of being deemed too unimportant to waste your time.
What more can a broker do other than apologize. If you read through the post, Mr Felker had turned over the showing to his asst who messed up. He has apologized. Move on. I happen to have worked with Mr Felker in the past and I can tell you from my own experience he is professional, knowlegeable, kind and puts most realtors to shame.
classic example of not paying attention to so-called details. fair to say that 90% of the broker's job is showing up? no professional sales person blows off a customer period.
westsider3, how do you explain this snark: Interesting comparison of "low life" Wall St vrs. RE Broker. You should be honest and let everybody know your profession when comparing the two.
If what SAWF says is true, then it sounds like an ordinary missed connection. Shit happens, learn from your mistakes, etc. Not saying missing a connection is good -- obviously it was a screw-up. But it happens.
Now, personally, if someone left me multiple vulgar voicemails calling me names over something like this, I'm not sure I'd have the grace or maturity to call back and actually apologize. (I might call back -- but I'd probably have something a little less professional to say than "I'm sorry.") So kudos to SAWF for maintaining professionalism in that situation. It's too bad the apology wasn't accepted, and that the OP still felt the need to come here and slam him.
bigtimmy -- I think what SAWF is saying is that it's ironic that the OP was slamming people on Wall St., given his profession.
People make mistakes. They miss appointments. Welcome to NY. Move on. You'll feel better.
are either of you in sales? there is a reason for the old cliche about the three rules:
1. the customer is always right.
2. note rule #1
3. note rule #2
if you're in sales, dealing with rude customers is part of the game. the issue is never who's right, who's wrong --- this is not etiquette school. if you don't have a thick skin, pick another job.
the worse the problem, the greater opportunity for the sales person to rise above it and create a lasting relationship because most people are so lousy at this. our friend, the SVP should have picked up the phone, eaten a bunch of shit and turned it around.
He's not a customer. He was a potential customer, and that potential was clearly in the rear view mirror. If you are in business you make judgments every day about when to cut your losses and move on.
I have had brokers not show up before as well. I could have started threads lambasting them on streeteasy, but decided:
a. its not worth my time
b. maybe people don't deserve to be hung for making one mistake.
so...you figure the SVP has a line of potential customers so long that he can afford to throw one away? my point is about selling and what it takes. someone once told me that the best thing to do when times are tough is to answer the phone.
Well I agree with the second part of your statement and would take it a step farther to say the best thing to do is start calling. I have no idea what his list looks like but its no different than any other business decision. Sometimes you make a reasonable decision to forego an opportunity based on its likelihood, payback, opportunity costs, etc.
I am not a realtor but I often find myself defending them because I don't like prejudice & there is plenty of anti-realtor prejudice on our beloved StreetEasy. NYCsouth had an unfortunate situation yesterday but only Mr. Felker can decide if this was a one-time problem or if his staff needs more training or replacing. We don't know how much shit Mr. Felker has eaten on this one but it's obvious that, based on NYCsouth's reaction to this snafu, he has decided that neither he nor the owner of the unit want to do business with this individual. Case closed, it seems.
This just reminds me of what I keep telling my kids, which is that in this day and age there is little room for bad behavior. Whether it's cell phone pics, cop car cams, facebook postings, whatever, conduct in the past that may not have been noticed or been excused can and now is exposed for all to see, and there is a permanent digital record of it. It's all too easy for someone to do, whether it is right or wrong, that's the reality today.
by his own statement, he didn't make a business decision; he made an emotional decision based on not liking that the OP left nasty messages. and again, i'm not commenting nor interested in judging good and bad here; just find it ironic and amusing to toss away a customer.
I agree totally. That's my point -- you have to elevate your game today because it's much easier for others to call you out. No more hiding . . .
I have worked with Shawn Felker on no less than 3 real estate transactions, and he has always been nothing less than courteous and professional. I am sorry the OP had a bad experience, and that is unfortunate. I still think leaving vulgar messages is uncalled for.
first time poster? a bit shady, perhaps?
Yeah, but it's also a lot easier for someone to "call someone out" (anonymously) without any good reason -- just like it's easy to spread rumors about an ex. That's not a good thing.
I disagree with the idea that the broker made an emotional decision -- in my view he made the right business decision. I learned long ago that people who scream obscenities at you generally think they're worth a lot more than they are. In fact, they're usually less profitable, because everything with them is lose-lose. You can live off them, in a pinch -- but in the long term you'll spend more time and make less money.
The right business decision is to spend your time with the people who are likely to make you the most money both short term and long term. If you don't screw over the owner by sticking him with a problematic tenant, he may use you again in three months. If you devote your energy to the nice renter who likes you, you'll build a relationship that can survive little snafus and may bring a big sale a year or two down the line. And all of those people will act as advocates for your reputation -- they'll work to bring you sales through word of mouth. This is how you build big profits -- not by scraping at the margins for every little dime, but rather by finding a base of good customers and devoting attention to them.
If you instead devote your energy to the guy who runs to the internet to smear you, and screams obscenities at you whenever something goes wrong, you won't build any relationships -- you'll just enjoy a lot of angry voicemails before the guy finds a way to really screw you over (justifying it, of course, by telling himself that you're a "lowlife"). That person will spread only negative word of mouth (e.g. "my lowlife broker just told me...") And you'll potentially lose the other, better clients while you chase your tail trying to satisfy the unsatisfiable. That's no way to do business. If you've got no other options, no other clients...ok, you can live off that sort of business in the short term. But if you have other options, go where the real money is. That makes perfect business sense to me.
so..you've never lost your temper and said something in the heat of the moment that is not representative of who you actually are? perhaps the OP just got madder because he didn't receive any response? and...as i said earlier, i doubt very much that customers are lining up for the SVP.
seems like this whole string makes the fundamental point that ignoring your customer is not a good idea.
and, don't you wonder who JPS is?
I couldn't give a crap one way or the other about what some anonymous guy says on the internet about someone or something. That's hardly reliable.
Further, when I read more into this, even if I believe that Shawn fucked up (and I'm inclined to believe he did), the whole magnitute of this as a 3 month rental makes me think, who cares.
Hell, we've got people thinking Vick is ok, but some guy who had a problem with a 3 month rental is a big deal. Not me.
another first time poster? hmmn. looks like the SVP either has some friends or many alter egos. this is getting funnier and funnier.
sawf: "I am sorry for the missed appointment and the 30 minutes of your wasted time".
This is indicative of the disdain for the customer. It is not 30 minutes. It could take one 30 minutes to get there and 30 minutes to get back. Plus arranging a schedule to be there means you are not using that time on something productive elsewhere. You can hear the sarcasm in your post -- as if it wasn't really a big deal for this customer to be put out. Obviously this customer was not worth your time and you let him know it , and you let the world know through your post. If it is not a big enough commission for you to treat someone with respect, then don't take the listing.
This is the age of the internet. There is a famous case taught in business schools where a hotel clerk was unconcerned that he gave away the room of a guaranteed late arriving customer. He couldn't be bothered to even help make amends by helping to find another room at another hotel. The customer made a hilarious power point presentation that was seen by millions around the world. The hotel chain suffered enormous loss of revenue and had to spend a fortune in new public relations strategies.
If you can't keep your business -- or your assistants-- in order, your will also end up spending time and money making amends. Just like having to address this post which you did with less than the expected aplomb of a professional. If you treat even one customer with disdain, why would anyone else engage your services. I agree with columbia county.
let's all meet at the white house for a beer & move on
Felker above: "your [voice mails with] vulgar words"
JPS (heretofore unknown on these boards I believe): "leaving vulgar messages is uncalled for..."
See, this is where brokers get into trouble. If JPS is Felker, the JPS post was a silly thing to do since it seems like you using another ID. Users on here are very keen to sniff out such things. If JPS is not Felker, such a post does not help the cause here.
If a deal is worth doing, it is worth doing right. ColumbiaCounty and apt23 are 100% correct on this. In this day and age, you gotta tidy up your loose ends. That was not done here and an angry customer was left to roam cyber space venting. Why was the customer not provided with the assistant's contact info if the assistant was running the showing? Was the customer told the broker wouldn't be there and that someone else would be inside? Whatever the answers, one can guess that the broker has been chastened by this thread and will reconsider how such showings and communications are done in the future to avoid disgruntled people from even low-end deals damaging one's business reputation.
If a crazy person calls my bosses and rants about how I treated them, my bosses don't care that the person is crazy. They care that they are getting bothered by it and that I didn't know how to tidy it up so as to avoid the bother. My job includes making problems go away--not creating and then justifying the problems. Here, pointing fingers at the alleged crazy person wanting an apt too cheap to even matter does not mean much to the brokerage owners who see this agent left a little mess that resulted in negative chatter in cyber space.
and the beauty of all this is that the second listing on google for shawn felker is already this string. way to go. brilliant.
am i correct? every defender of the SVP is a first time poster? is that possible? slow day at the office?
shawn felker---time for you to fess up to your multiple identities.
nope I am not the JPS.
Slow day at the office? columbiacounty is apparently the one that drag himself away from the the thread.
so...shawn felker...how do you explain the proliferation of first time posters coming to your defense? moved by the outrage of what has been done to you?
"As you can imagine she had many appointments (three at once) because of the incredibly low price point."
so..shawn felker...have you rented it because of the incredibly low price point?
who can say? ask him. His name is Jeff.
I suspect you you are other half of Heather.
Btw what has been done to me? this is hardly an outrage.
An appointment was missed. I apologized for the mistakes made by myself and my assistant.
What exactly is your interest in all of this? do you have nothing better to do with the day?
columbiacounty ... so you are neither interested in renting or using Shawn or using his firm or the owner looking for a tenant ... but you are good with the conspiracies. Is that your purpose?
"When at a closing we shut off our phones or turn them to silent."
how about vibrate? do you know how to do that?
what do you do at the closing, Shawn Felker, other than collect your money?
shawn felker..still wondering about your take on all the first time posters coming to our defense? any thoughts?
we should stop beating up on him, it's sad enough that he's an RE broker...and a crummy one I guess at that.
Shawn, I got a good assistant for you, right up your alley...her name is Agent Rachel.
You'd love her!
and to say one more time, brokers suck
most are worthless
period
flame on
ok, ok I confess....the first time poster is not me.
shawn felker, is that your attempt at humor? or, should we assume that the multiple first time posters are brokers that you know?
No columbiacounty why would I want to have humor on here with you?
enough with this nonsense. I have to take the chicken out of the oven.
shawn felker...your standard response...enough with this nonsense. still wondering how you account for all the first time posters?
this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever seen on street easy. everyone writing on here- and i see tons of familiar names... are people who clearly have no better time on their hands here. this was a mix up with an appointment for a rental-of which shawn called to apologize or whatever. if there were 3 people being taken up to the apartment at a similar time and the person who posted this thread did not think let me ask the doorman or look around for someone who looked like a broker- they are just as much at fault.
whoever posted this- what is the point- are you trying to get shawn felker in trouble? or a bad reputation? i dont think anyone would refrain from using his services bc of a small mix up.. i dont think any buyer would see this and decide wow he is a shady broker...
Brokers get bad reps for pushing higher prices, or for being untrusthworthy on other actions.. NYCSOUTH if you werent so cheap and had a broker representing you, maybe you wouldnt have had such a mix up here... shawn should not have a thread about him on here because of a mix up with an appointment.
shawn felker did not apologize...read the thread if you're going to comment. this is a townhouse...no doorman. what is your interest in defending the likes of shawn felker?
CC, dear poster, leave the guy alone already. What he committed, in the world of RE, is a misdemeanor, let it go. G'nite Shawn, enjoy your chicken. It's a tough world out there now with the internet. Hopefully it will help you. There are not many people like nycsouth here. Nevertheless, there's plenty of nuts, but there's also a lot of tremendously generous and knowledgeable people as well...
Thanks mimi.
I actually think columbiacounty is nycsouth's bf.....small world with nothing to do.
well...mimi i was ready to stop but not now.
i don't know nysouth from a hole in the ground but shawn felker, we all know the likes of you and yours. self important, useless leeches. the problem wasn't only standing up the OP--the real problem was your condescending snotty response.
so...how';s the rental going? is it taken yet? are you the owner of the property -- if not, i'm sure he/she will be pleased that you're too busy to show it.
skimmed the thread, ok, see the townhouse comment now-
i suppose shawn called to explain what happened- whatever it may be, my interest in defending him has to do with you idiots degrading him as well as other brokers for the most ridiculous things- when i have browsed these boards well enough to know half the threads posted on here (hottest guy brokers, etc) your names are all over. everyone knows these boards are full of brokers- so why do u all start threads of best brokers to deal with , nicest brokers to deal with, etc etc when u know its brokers posting their own info- or u accuse everyone who posts someone of that anyway.
comment on my line " if nyc south was not cheap and had his own rep" please- maybe if he had a broker working for him, that broker would have come prepared w the assistants numbers as well as shawns numbers, etc.. so this would have not happened.
not all brokers are shady, to say u are all such saints at whatever jobs u do so perfectly is most likely an understatement, and u guys act like paparazzi to celebrities- get your own lives, stop talking about every little thing brokers do wrong evry second of the day,
yawn
I think EPCC had it right. Sure the broker fucked up. Sure he needs to apologize. Sure he needs to not do it again. But no one likes a whiner.
And no one likes an instigator who isn't involved. Columbiacounty, you asked the question, "what is your interest in defending the likes of shawn felker?" and an equally interesting question is, What is your interest in attacking someone you don't know, haven't done business with, and have no plans to do business with?
What is your interest columbiacounty?
interesting comment....only one other poster ever used. could it be true?
shawn felker is wonderboy?
what is "the likes of you and yours"?
What are the likes of YOU columbiacounty and yours?
another first time poster, acusys? is this brokers unite nite? my interest is that i have been screwed over too many times by too many lousy, lying brokers.
mine is about real people with property and real people who want to buy or rent and are sick and tired of being lied to and jerked around by useless intermediaries. what about you?
Holy crap colubacounty, aren't you the guy who admitted ignoring his daughter when she was growing up? Aren't you the spoiled baby who takes a taxi to Equinox? Let me guess, you spend most of your time in the sauna.
columbia county- you've been screwed over too many times? u know the saying hurt u once, shame on them, hurt u twice, shame on u.... that applies to everything- there is a reason brokers screw u, and dont like u- u are probably just as cheap and shady and try to go behind brokers backs anyway- so no, they dont have to like u or help u.. u are giving yourself too much credit
Interesting this is more about columbiacounty's bad behavior than nycsouth's or Felcher.
yep...the best defense, etc.
holy f*ck sorry for my language, but wtf columbiacounty you should be throwing stones when you've got problems at home? Sweep your porch first.
SAWF, meet Columbia. He is a SE poster forever, and many of us like him, though he can get a bit grumpy. Also, this shows you are not following SE. You might be busy now, but let me tell you, you need to be here if you want to continue selling RE in NYC. This is the future, my friend.
Columbia, this unaware broker is probably new to SE, and his style is definitely nothing like wonderbraboy. Please, darling, let it go. We are all humans, and some brokers can actually be nice and professional (though quite a small group) like Klara Madlin, John Fisher, Norman Horowitz, Frank Prescod, to name some...I am the kind of person that, unlike this NYCsouth person, prefers to name the ones that I like...
CC - dude, get a grip. You're here gloating (anonymously and...repeatedly) about your hope that a guy you've (probably) never met will have his reputation harmed in the real world. Even if the dude had done more than make a simple mistake, your behavior (like the OP's) would be far more egregious than anything SAWF had done.
Your complaint is that (a) he screwed up (it happens) and (b) he responded to that screwup (and nycsouth's apparent resulting string of expletives) ONLY by apologizing rather than...I don't know, rubbing ash all over his body and groveling? And then, after being anonymously attacked on the internet by the same guy that left him numerous rude, expletive-laden voicemails, he responds by...giving his side of the story. Your response to that? Oh, well, he sounded "condescending" to you in explaining what happened. Well, gee, if that's how he sounded to you, let's get out the whips and chains.
Nah, it's like you just said -- this guy didn't do anything. You're just full of unresolved anger at the whole profession because...I don't know, a broker kicked your puppy or dated your mom or something. Grow up, get over it. This is a real guy, from all accounts otherwise a good broker, and your attacks on him are uncalled-for and ridiculous. You're spending your Friday night slamming a real person for something very minor that you weren't involved in, and that he's already apologized for. You really ought to be embarrassed by that -- but you (and nycsouth) should be particularly embarrassed to be doing it anonymously.
huh...? i don't have any problems.
colubiacounty, what is a useless intermediary? If a broker represents one side of the transaction and finds the other side of the transaction, then he made it happen.
What exactly is it you do?
If you are a do it yourselfer, well, power to you. But no one likes to deal with unpleasant people all the time. So you might be better off having someone represent you. And because of how miserable you are, you'll know your representative broker really earned his or her pay.
mimi...hat's off to you.
look at all the rat's crawling out of their holes. fascinating.
and, I would agree...klara madlin is a stand up broker.
His interest is probably the same as mine and others who have come hard on brokers here.
We are sick of brokers horseshit. Yes, shit happens, absolutely and yes, people screw up, no doubt about it.
And when it is RE brokers behind the screw up, it pushes peoples buttons, possibly the same way that the banking worlds screwups can push peoples buttons.
Is it always rational, perhaps not, but there is a real anger and overall fatigue of brokers bullshit behind it all.
Doesn't anybody find it interesting that across this entire board, there are a number of people who get incredibly angry (to say the least) at brokers actions. Do you really think these people just woke up one day and decided today would be the day they got their anger out at brokers? Or perhaps the RE industry, especially in NYC, is screwed up and has created this world where RE brokers forget this is a people business and you can't treat people like shit forever (forget about our friend Shawn for a second, who clearly prioritized his day and said fuck it to the lowly renter.)
And as for JLC's, "you're too cheap to have your own broker" where did that come from? Who WANTS a broker? ANOTHER person to try and rape you on the deal? One broker in the transaction isn't enough? Why not have a broker for the broker...
I think it's JLC's post that gets him the, "Douchebag of the day award"
congrats douchebag
columbiacounty, you and other anti-semites are not welcome and really ought to take a few sensitivity classes
another first timer and now I'm an antisemite?
come on, can't you do better than that?
sex offender? dog killer?
this is amazing.
losieta, what the fuck are you even talking about? What do home problems (please spell this out for us as well...what home problems do you even mean) have to do with RE?
You people are morons...the issue here is the underlying anger at brokers and where it comes from. It doesn't come from "miserable fucks" it stems from somewhere. And a bunch of you are a) brokers who don't like getting badmouthed or b) the same fucking morons who show up to a townhall and scream at the democrat explaining the new healthcare system with comments like, "you are gonna kill my grandmammie!"
Go watch foxnews and fuck yourselves
appears to be a bit of pent up rage in the broker community?
DON'T KILL MY GRANDMAMMY!!
How many of you enjoy Glenn Beck? He' brilliant, you should all watch him...you'd love him
morons
"Do you really think these people just woke up one day and decided today would be the day they got their anger out at brokers?"
Normal anger over something that doesn't involve violence or death has a limited timeframe. columbiacounty and you just keep coming back. again and again and again. You have no limits. You just hate. It's not like columbiacounty continually is involved in real estate transactions.
Why's columbiacounty even here? He thinks prices are declining. He's not looking to buy. He's not looking to rent. He doesn't like people involved in real estate.
What's columbiacounty's problem? Heck, just a silly question, but Columbia County is a couple hours outside of NYC.
What does columbiacounty have this pathological problem? Hate destroys
mimi--if you mouse over the "ignore this person" without clicking you can see their user number. check out all of these new people. as noted earlier, fascinating. i think that shawn felker is busy doing something other than eating his chicken.