Cyber Slimers Beware

stop threatening us.

by the by, cc, read the article. a very public figure, with extremely outlandish unsubstantiated comments.

Spodak, 69, has been labeled a pedophile, an alcoholic, a wife beater and a criminal by a group of unknown online enemies.

"I have proof that you're a pedophile, I have proof that you stole the recreation funds. I have proof that you beat both of your wives," an anonymous commenter wrote of him on a message board on NJ.com.

Spodak isn't taking it lying down. "They're not going to do this to me in the town that I love," he said. "You can't call someone a pedophile and then run and hide behind the First Amendment

i did.

the comparison is unfortunate for the broker in question.

yes, i agree. which is why i wondered about the OP. but that is clearly agenda-driven as well.

shawn's bff, maybe? total conjecture, btw, cya.

oh boy, now I can sue nyc10022.

clearly, the objective was not to compare the bashing by a bunch of jealous (likely under-employed) brokers to the accusations referenced in the article but to point out that blog sites cannot (& should not) be considered a free zone where you can intentionally aim to destroy another's character either for your own gain or out of sheer entertainment. for further clarity, my intention is not to "threaten" (I am not an attorney!) but rather raise awareness and hopefully promote better online behavior. This forum can be (& is) quite effective if used as intended.

mm123, what potentially libelous thread are you referring to on Streeteasy?

I've been hinting in this direction for a while. I'ts clearly a great forum for RE but, it does get personal and out of hand upon occassion. We really should auto-regulate ourselves when it comes to over the top attacks. For example the 'shawn incident'.

Alanhart. Look up "Libel", then re-read several of the threads you/your shadow "Columbiacounty" have participated in. If you see no coincidences, disregard. If you do, I urge you to moderate your blogging behavior and consider alternative modes of entertainment. This is a serious site to promote real estate opportunities, bring people together for helpful networking and hopefully inject some growth in this beaten up sector.

"This is a serious site to promote real estate opportunities, bring people together for helpful networking and hopefully inject some growth in this beaten up sector."

I thought it was a serious site to protect potential purchasers of real estate from the endless propaganda of the real estate industry and the brokers who hope to profit from it.

not if our friend below has anything to say about it.

mm123, you are obviously new to this site. Alanhart and CC are two very distinctive posters with quite noticeable different styles. Maybe you want to get to know SE better before posting what is SE for, and who is who here. Otherwise, you just look as a wounded broker.

Thanks, Falcogold. Yes, I am indeed outraged by this--- so much so that here I am, involving myself when the whole thing has absolutely nothing to do with me! It's one thing to have an opinion about someone and share it privately-- but when the comments go beyond opinion (e.g. name-calling, false statements) and the forum is public (e.g. millions of users via a web portal), the damage to one's character and potential impact on one's livelihood warrants serious action on the offenders. If this were about me, I would certainly have taken action against the blogger who initiated the thread and those who intentionally perpetuated it forward, just for kicks. Maybe Streeteasy needs to better screen blog activity?

CC:

You've been slandered, in my opinion, by an anonymous poster who states publicly, before millions of readers, that you're my shadow. You've been reduced (it would seem to me) to a mere negative-light image of me. The shame and humiliation might, perhaps, have cost you billions of dollars in lost earnings. The anonymous poster was (one might assume) trying to destroy you, a jury could possibly find (in my non-expert opinion).

--Your (Alleged) Shadowcaster

hopefully inject some growth in this beaten up sector

sort of like providing free cigs to the lung cancer patient?
this tumor has had more growth than it can take.

hey---wait a minute. i thought i was the real person and you were the shadow?

Maybe once upon a time, but everyone knows that internet statements by anonymous and probably fictional internet usernames are the prevailing truth. Thus the shadow-casting has turned on end. The sun absorbs light. It's all changed.

you're both merely shadows of each other. go ahead, sue me.

falco, how's the search going? seen anything interesting recently?

case in point.... now let's sit back and watch the usual suspects entertain themselves.... guys, ever consider MySpace, Facebook, etc for your usual banter?

btw... are all 3 of you in the same room when you blog or otherwise mystically aligned? you seem to be tied at the hip in your posts (alanhart, columbiacounty, aboutready).... any relation? just curious...

Alanhart.... Slander is verbal.... Libel is written.... (you didn't look it up, did you?).

Are you saying we're the Trilateral Commission?

Maybe we're listening in.

funny. ok.... gotta run now.... bye!

mm123, I agree with posts getting bent out of shape. Nevertheless, what makes SE unique is the freedom it gives. Trulia has the worst possible community side (Q&A, in it's case), because it babysits the posters, removing anything they consider "risky", like the word "hell". It ends up being a pasteurized broker-business-oriented board. As a buyer, I take all the BS and sometimes aggressive posts as the downside of the most amazing tool ever created to empower buyers and sellers. We are all growups after all. The attacks to this Shawn guy don't affect my possibility of hiring him in the future. I posted in that thread "please leave the guy alone" many times. People knows better. Let's trust their judgement, instead of pleading for a police regulated SE.

can't speak for the others. i'm just a miserable, jobless, useless piece of human excrement (OK, i'm libelling myself, really just a dilettante), who needs to find some focus. as i'm on the computer all day long for other reasons, and check in far more often than the 5 times that more than 20% of the 12 million monthly viewers do, it isn't hard for me to keep up. i may be shiftless with no reason for existing but i'm no slacker in my correspondence.

mm123: " I would certainly have taken action against the blogger who initiated the thread and those who intentionally perpetuated it forward, just for kicks."

Aren't you in fact perpetuating the thread in question? Are you doing it just for kicks? Do you have a personal agenda? I haven't re-read the thread but I don't recall libelous posts. It seems that the original blogger would be at fault if what he/she posted was untrue. And yet, Mr Felker himself confirmed the details. Most of the bloggers on that thread were lamenting the unprofessional behavior of some brokers. Mr. Felker's imperious self-justification did not help his cause on a public forum. Instead of a lawsuit against those who simply point out bad behavior, perhaps brokers should learn some common courtesy. Lawsuits and threats of lawsuits over mere opinion is not courteous behavior.

Mimi. I can see where you are coming from and can honestly not speak for either site as I'm a new user to both. I rely on my broker religiously for all of my real estate needs and he's always done well be me so I've never felt a need to peruse further. However, I'd recently referred a friend of mine to Shawn and when I asked why he hadn't called Shawn back, he mentioned some bad blogs on Streeteasy. This is how I found the outrageous stream and why I've become involved.

If this is what happens, even within my own circle of friends (in spite of having had a first-hand blessing from me!) I can imagine all of the prospective buyers who came across that thread and automatically (& unjustifiably) blacklisted Shawn. Granted--- there may very well be loads of "crooked" brokers out there (bad ethics exist in every profession) but my point, Mimi, is that Shawn is certainly not one of them! Anyway- I've made my point already and need to get back to work now. Thanks for reading in (or listening!). -MM

As I said, maybe is better to get acquainted to a board before suggesting changes to the administrator and making assumptions about posters' identities.

Apt23.... this is a new thread, not a perpetuation of the old one. The former was centered on Shawn (though somewhere very early it became a general movement against the entire real estate sales community). This thread is aimed at urging folks to "self-regulate" their comments when voicing "opinions" so that what they're sharing is useful feedback (constructive or not) based on first-hand knowledge. As you may note, a great majority of the commenters on the bandwagon have had absolutely no experience whatsoever with the broker in question but joined in on the assault anyway.

Starting your SE posting with a call for a lawsuit and stating that you would sue was a very poor choice. You are now on ignore mode.

Mimi- Acquainted or not, what I saw was already wrong-- so I reacted as I deemed fit.
Funny how you promote freedom on the one hand, then try to constrain mine.
Well, I've contributed my 2 cents do with it what you wish.
I've got work to do (& it's not this) so I must go now. -- Tks. MM

Mm123, so what do you do in cyberworld that got you so acquainted with Shawn, flipping alot or are you the $20hr lawyer he hires to finish him off?the closing that is? So you have this great sense of wrong on his cyberreputation? What is it that you do mm123?

Here are some facts a celebrity can't use the public for gainful employment and then thye can't decide when they are in public that no pictures be taken, you don't go into real estate and put your 30 year ago mug shot up on a movie theatre and if someone recognizes you and yells out realtor! On the streets of ny..... You get it?

Pinkm&m, trust me I've been involved in lawsuits galore, your petty 'threats' has absolutely no merit and doesn't pass my bullshit lawsuit smell test. Btw, you wouldn't be part of the family of gypsy lawsuitors from brookyn? Cause if you are then I know your fat pos mother.

mm123, i was actually thinking the same about you. interesting that you condemn negative behavior and then engage in it yourself.

i do tend to go ballistic every couple of months. and yes it might be more "comfortable" if we always played nicely in the sandbox, and some things seem cruel, and life is not fair. but compared to many forums, this one is fabulous. and it really is a long-standing community, although it welcomes newcomers daily. an outright lie would be unacceptable, but this was a report of something that occurred. as it was shown to be.

your friend would follow the advice of some anoymous bloggers? some of whom were low on credibility (for whatever reasons) themselves? wow, that says something.

Thanks, 67 Street, for joining the long list of users reported to StreetEasy for review for your comment on my "fat pos mother". Whatever that means...

For the record, I'm neither a Lawyer nor a Broker.

for someone who constantly says they need to go--you never seem to go for long.

w67th, you've reached the apex.

I suggest you become more acquainted. I didn't ask for anybody to police your post, or suggest I'll sue anybody. Anyway, enough of this. As ar wrote, this is a fabulous board, it does embrace newcomers (last year I was one) and nothing anybody says will convince me otherwise. Oh, I forgot to put you in ignore. Doing it now.

LOL.... I knew you were fibbing, Mimi! Any relation to NYCSouth, Mimi? Again, just curious.
Columbia County.... Now I can see why you're on all day.... It can be quite engrossing! -MM

Wait a minute -- shadow people, criminal groups, threats, mysterious newcomers? When did we turn into a Murakami novel? Which girl is about to go missing?

I flag abusive comments for streeteasy when I fee that it is appropriate. I occassionally receive replies thanking me and the comments are removed.

feel

i only flag spam and hijacks. there have been one or two times i've been tempted. and a few of my more vitriolic rampages have been removed, probably wisely. but a couple of totally benign ones have been as well. and very few seem to get removed. if the AR thread and the 407PAS threads survived, well, they were nuclear warfare.

i did notice that on the home page, where it lists current discussions, my mommy are we poor thread doesn't show up. somebody probably just assumed it wasn't real estate related and flagged it. but i found it interesting. i never would have noticed but for the podcast mimi posted. i wasn't even aware of the lower portion of the home page and was checking out the market news section when it caught my eye.

Let me tell you another thing. Se is trying to lay low to IPO this baby. Their $ is in having users. Your threats and lawsuits would kill the
Ala facebook. If you don't think they will fight tooth and nail behind first amendment. You haven't got a clue

Where've you been, 67St? Google "bloggers sued" or any such variation for the long list of cases that have successfully been carried out. I can see that (in between the vulgarities and juvenile jabs), you do make some valid points (e.g. Streeteasy's interest in making an IPO). All the more reason why they should keep their site clean and its usage limited to intelligent discussion, not kiddie commentary such as "open a can of whoop a*s", "yo pos mother", "pink/red m&m", "lmao", etc.

Google "frivolous suit" or any such variation for the long list of cases that have successfully been carried out.

w67th, quit making fun of the disabled.

i think flowers should sue cohan and carney. they implied he might not be a great as he said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-flowers-one-hit-wonder-2009-8

too bad mimi is "ignoring" me.... I'd love to know if it is her opinion that commentary such as w67's chinese reference above deserves a place on Streeteasy. btw, w67.... you might've just broken a record for having the most consecutive "abuses" reported within a 5 minute window! i guess this would be an interesting test case for your IPO theory.... if streeteasy does nothing about your vulgar language and abusive commentary, that may support your point. if it responds and removes your blogs -- it doesn't. let's see....

WaZ I cyber- talking to you? Or are you indeed a unicorn. Lmao r u that stupid?

It's a REAL question.

mm123 pushes for censorship here; Cafe Des Artistes shuts down after less than 100 years. Could there be a connection between the two?

i'm engaging in another internet sin, hijacking. totally random off-topic post.

i'm fairly certain falco or AH could do a better job with the poem. hell, w67th and i could do a better job (although i kind of shudder to think what would be created if we collaborated), but the pictures amused me.

http://macro-man.blogspot.com/2009/08/bank-holiday-poem-on-aging-effects-of.html

another interesting read.... bloggers liable to commit libel... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13555_3-9821584-34.html.

Btw, alanhart... I'm not necessarily pushing for censorship. First and foremost, I'm pushing for self-regulation on the part of the users e.g. avoid foul language, abusive behavior; I'm also urging awareness of the law -- so you all understand the distinction between voicing your opinion and defaming someone's character publicly; and lastly, I'm urging censorship on the part of StreetEasy so that when, #1 and #2 have failed, they catch and address the behavior anyway. -MM

mm123"so you all understand the distinction between voicing your opinion and defaming someone's character publicly;so you all understand the distinction between voicing your opinion and defaming someone's character publicly;"

could you please copy an example off the felker thread to illustrate where voicing an opinion crossed over to libelous action?

mm123, did you read that article? closely? because you kind of killed your own argument. the devil is in the details.

there are an abundant number of "rate this doctor" or "rate this teacher" sites. if it were possible to win libel cases so easily do you not think doctors would have been able to shut down the sites? what could be more damaging professionally than this doctor sucked?

apt23, aboutready.... my notes are general in terms. not linked to the former ridiculous thread.

If you see no value in understanding the difference between libel and opinion .... or in taking precautions to keep language clean and commentary constructive, then ignore this thread. I'm trying to share information for productive blogging, that's all. Soon, this entire chain may be removed as well since it, in & of itself is not related to real estate anyway!

back to what mimi told you earlier. the idea of dropping into this or any site with this kind of drivel is insulting. "beware" indeed.

well, then, it seems as though you've picked the wrong issue. or hidden one issue behind another. there is very little "libel" as you refer to it. a few brokers (with one major exception) have been mentioned, but no hullabaloo like this (that exception). and in both cases the brokers themselves got involved. almost always broker-bashing is throwing mud at an anonymous broker. we really like our respected and "out' brokers.

what you really seem to want to be is hall monitor. and i don't recall who it is, but somebody already has that title.

a couple of years ago i left this forum for awhile, claiming i wanted a more civilized forum (i hadn't gotten up to speed yet). and i found it on wired. it is moderated, and it is very nice and a community but quite dull. but if that's what you want, that's what is available. as i was leaving someone warned me that they had tried the same thing, and returned here (was that bjw?).

we have the ignore button. if w67th, or ah, or cc, or i bother you please use it. every thread doesn't have to be everything to everyone. but you might be surprised at how many fans w67th has.

I agree that there's very little libel, but mm123 is absolutely right about the cuss words. Because this site is dedicated to resources and decision making for selling, buying and renting apartments, it draws a large audience of children ... is it appropriate to expose infants and Canadians and toddlers to vulgar oaths like "pos"? I think not.

If you guys start "self-policing" and turn this into the Trulia q&a board, I'm quitting real estate.
Tina
(Brooklyn broker)

Hmmm... could mm123 be CaroleSt?

tina, you're back!! i don't let the daughter read it past 8:00. i rarely get really going before then.

manhattanfox, that would be ironic.

mfox -- that occurred to me at "funny. ok.... gotta run now.... bye!", which was more or less the end of carolst's "high school clique" rant (or maybe another carolst rant).

aboutready -- 8-9 pm is Family Hour on Streeteasy. It's all Happy Days and Laverne & Shirley.

I once went to a bar/lounge with two restroom doors, one with a photo of Laverne, and the other with a photo of Shirley. Genius.

No, I'm not CarolSt... but I did see that exchange and it can very well serve as a prime example of what I'm referring to as "inappropriate". That thread alone has perhaps 100's of cuss words and is nearly entirely full of insults back & forth between CarolSt and coincidentally, the same, usual suspects. On the libel front, once again, I'm just urging awareness of where the line is drawn.

In my humble "opinion", if false statements about my character are made in a public forum where my professionalism, moral ethic or personal caliber comes into question AND those statements may end up harming my career, it qualifies as libel. The third point being the only that may be hard to prove as it would require the "victim" to prove that the statements made hurt his/her business.

mm123 -- can you please point the valued readers to the CarolSt thread you're referring to?

don't you feel that there are enough real problems today that a few salty words here is less than significant. no one is forced to read or participate. check the economic news thread if you want to find things to truly despair about.

oh and i almost forgot. this post is so transparently made up it makes me want to vomit:

"However, I'd recently referred a friend of mine to Shawn and when I asked why he hadn't called Shawn back, he mentioned some bad blogs on Streeteasy. This is how I found the outrageous stream and why I've become involved.

If this is what happens, even within my own circle of friends (in spite of having had a first-hand blessing from me!) I can imagine all of the prospective buyers who came across that thread and automatically (& unjustifiably) blacklisted Shawn."

and i don't even swear on the economics news thread. that's probably why it's all pent up.

i thought the carolst thread was brilliant and appropriate. it showed just about as clearly as anything i've seen the frustration, anger, and feelings of lack of control by a member of the community that is sensing a seismic shift in the awareness of its clientele. we are evidence of that shift, and evidence of SE's success. that thread alone proves that SE is achieving one of its primary missions.

i frequently honor my ancestors, anglo-saxon and otherwise.

ah, laverne and shirley. f'ng awesome.

You know, the constant references a few of you have (& seem to often make) about single persons with multiple sign ons may lead some to believe that this is a practice you yourselves engage in. Alanhart. You know which CarolSt thread I'm referring to since you seem to think CarolSt and I are the same person per your note above to MFox. I'm now suddenly feeling ashamed at myself for spending what is nearly an entire day in such an unproductive, clearly wasteful way. Have a good life all of you--- I'll leave you back to your usual vices.

ah yes, the carolst thread (actually there was more than one). but the one where i encouraged civility toward dear carolst. wow, i felt foolish a few days later.

until unfortunately, you magically reappear with yet another new name. what is the point?

Columbia County. The statement you refer to above was true. 100% true. You seem so suspicious, so often, about so many things. That's sad. It seems, however, you've found kindred spirits here on StreetEasy. Maybe, in the end of the day, you're all helping each other in one way or another so that (in some twisted way) it IS ok to put down others (less needy than most) for the good of the broader population. I am enlightened. Thank you all for your contribution! -MM

In my view, the Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future.

lets get there ...

how many potential customers would you ever so humbly estimate were seeking out Mr F's services but were turned off by the thread in question? and, while you're at it, i am sure that you would like to let us know the exact amount of lost income that Mr. F. suffered as a result of said turn offs?

Cake, We Are Building a Religion

We are building a religion,
We are building it bigger
We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes
We are building a religion.
A limited edition
We are now accepting callers for these pendant keychains
To resist it is useless,
It is useless to resist it
His cigerratte is burning but it never seems to ash
He is grooming his poodle
He is living comfort eagle
You can meet at his location but you'd better come with cash

Now his hat is on backwards. He can show you his tattoos
He is in the music buisness he is calling you "DUDE!"

Now today is tomorrow and tomorrow's today
And yesterday is weaving in and out
And the fluffy white lines that the airplane leaves behind
Are drifting right in front of the waning of the moon

He is handling the money. He's serving the food
He knows about your party. He is calling you "DUDE!"

Now, do you believe in the one big sign?
The double wide shine on the boot hills of your prime
Doesn't matter if you're skinny. Doesn't matter if you're fat.
You can dress up like a sultan in your onion-head hat

We are bulding a religion. We are making a brand
We're the only ones to turn to when your castles turn to sand
Take a bit of this apple, Mr. Corporate Events
Take a walk through the jungle of cardboard shedies and tents
Some people drink pepsi. Some people drink coke. (coke)
The wacky morning d.j. says democracy's a joke.

He says now, "Do you believe in the one big song?"
He's now accepting callers who would like to sing along
He says, "Do you believe in the one true edge?"
By fastening your saftey belts and stepping towards the ledge

He is handling the money. He is serving the food.
He is now accepting callers. He is calling me "DUDE!"

Do you believe in the one big sign?
The double wide shine on the boot hills of your prime.
There's no need to ask directions if you ever lose your mind
We're behind you. We're behind you.
And let us please remind you
We can send a car to find you
If you ever lose your way

I won't follow that with Public Image Limited's "Religion" lyrics. I won't, even though they're available on the World Wide Internets.

But I guess I should credit Barry Goldwater with that Trilateral Commission quote a few posts up. I feel, though, that he spoke for all of us when he exposed them that way.

but i own the cd, and have the lyrics. you don't think cake would want me to spread the word around about the religion?

i forgot about the PIL song. but you can't post those. they have a bitch reference, and i might become offended.

nice to give proper credit to Barry. you're darned decent.

I'm no fan of sliming (after all, no pigs or shrimp - both are disgusting animals), but I am also not in favor of pompous asses. Of the latter, there are plenty, and I wouldn't say that Shawn's posting was a way to redeem his prior error, in fact the opposite. However, I'm really just focused on two pompous people, and I must say, bravo on the hypocrisy w67thstreet and aboutready.

Among my favorite statements:

yep yepper (w67th) Pinkm&m, trust me I've been involved in lawsuits galore, your petty 'threats' has absolutely no merit and doesn't pass my bullshit lawsuit smell test. Btw, you wouldn't be part of the family of gypsy lawsuitors from brookyn? Cause if you are then I know your fat pos mother.

aboutready: i do tend to go ballistic every couple of months.

and continues later ...
a couple of years ago i left this forum for awhile, claiming i wanted a more civilized forum

I recall that CarolSt called people Idiots -- repeatedly.... so the "libel" is perhaps a two way street. Remember that "Truth is a defense"....

I agree that the cussing could be reduced -- but flagging the comments is a way for se to monitor and remove...

juxtapose:
aboutready
2 days ago
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/14238-renting-is-always-financially-more-beneficial-over-time-than-owning

so, not that i usually condone taking over threads, that's been some of the best. i just feel guilty all the time, which is really strange because i can swear up a storm with no problem but i dont' like to take over someone else's thread.

with:
aboutready
about 3 hours ago
i only flag spam and hijacks.

from the OP:

to educate the ignorant bunch of Streeteasy bloggers (often less-than-successful brokers)

my professional reputation has definitely been damaged.

aboutready
4 minutes ago
my professional reputation has definitely been damaged.

aboutready
about 5 hours ago
can't speak for the others. i'm just a miserable, jobless, useless piece of human excrement (OK, i'm libelling myself, really just a dilettante), who needs to find some focus.

Perhaps the broker's lack of a reaction could be considered a reflection of how confident he is in himself. At minimum, he works at a top agency (#1?), looks young (at least in the photo), is good looking and holds a very senior position which is typically an indication of success.
Not sure the same can be said of aboutready, w67thstreet, and the holy trinity referred to above. All apparently a clan of self-proclaimed "high and mighty" with very little to stand on. Anybody know if these delusions of self-grandeur are founded on anything special or are they all a bunch of lonely bloggers with very little to occupy their time with?

you've reincarnated. how nice for you.

aboutready, columbiacounty, w67thstreet, alanhart, kylewest -- in the spirit of honesty -- are any of you brokers/ex-brokers?

w67thstreet is a commercial landlord and former residential landlord.

Oh, and he's been involved with tons of lawsuits with his tenants.

No irony at all.

aboutready
5 minutes ago
you've reincarnated. how nice for you.

oh, no, not at all, I actually like being able to make reference to you without you being able to defend yourself because you have me on ignore.

LMAO (Z). Whadda POS! For whatever it's worth, Piggie, Shrimpie, whichever you prefer as a nickname.... I am officially a fan of yours. Is there a SE fan club for you I may sign up for or should I just register for the already existing anti-67 or anti-CC groups (there are several). And, yes (Tri-commission), before you waste time searching me, I am also a first-time blogger.

I have no preference of a nickname. That's the point of having a posting name like "nopigsorshrimp" ... it's hard to make fun of it with anything more ridiculous than the original name.

Ahh.... a landlord, ey? Well, that explains the God-given right to alert the world of any scummy practices out there.

But it is hard to believe you are a first-time blogger if you know that people do call me piggie or shrimpie.

nopigsorshrimp, are you questioning stoogeh8tr's honor?

Hmmmm. Good point. Guess I'm a veteran blogger then, with an alter-ego. Either way, I'm a piggie/shrimpie fan. Any others "like you" out here. Seems like SE is invaded with POS's, to quote our dear friend w67. BTW, he's gone silent. Are you there, 67 or are you in court again fighting another angry ex-tenant?

AH what do you do for a living, if I (we) may ask?