Why is NYC defying price drops?
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Article from Bloomberg: By Sharon L. Lynch Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Manhattan apartment sales fell for the third consecutive quarter and inventory rose by a third even as prices continued to extend a five-year streak of gains. Third-quarter transactions fell 24 percent to 2,654 from a year earlier and the number of apartments on the market increased to 7,003, New York-based real estate appraiser... [more]
Article from Bloomberg: By Sharon L. Lynch Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Manhattan apartment sales fell for the third consecutive quarter and inventory rose by a third even as prices continued to extend a five-year streak of gains. Third-quarter transactions fell 24 percent to 2,654 from a year earlier and the number of apartments on the market increased to 7,003, New York-based real estate appraiser Miller Samuel Inc. and broker Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate said in a report. The median price of a condominium and co-op jumped 7.4 percent to $928,263, the second highest on record, they said. Declining sales and rising inventory preceded lower home prices nationwide, spurring the nationwide housing recession. The city is bracing for a drop in property values after three of the city's five largest investment banks collapsed since March. Projected job losses in the financial industry rose to 64,000 in the metropolitan area, according to Moody's Economy.com. ``This crisis is so big and it's still sorting itself out,'' said Pamela Liebman, chief executive officer of the Corcoran Group, a Manhattan-based real estate brokerage that issued its own market report today. ``Until we get through the election and see what's going to happen with this bailout there are going to be buyers who sit on the sideline.'' The U.S. Senate this week passed a $700 billion financial- rescue bill and sent it to the House of Representatives for reconsideration. The measure is meant to stem the bleeding by financial institutions that bought mortgages, packaged and resold them as securities during the five-year U.S. housing boom only to realize almost $590 billion in losses and asset writedowns as record foreclosures beset the country. Federal Rescue The legislation authorizes the government to buy troubled assets from financial institutions in hopes of freeing them to raise more capital and unclog credit markets. The House rejected an earlier version of the bill on Sept. 29, sending the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 777 points, or 7 percent. The third-quarter Manhattan property market results are the first to capture sales since Bear Stearns & Co. was forced to sell itself to rival JPMorgan Chase & Co. in March after customers and lenders fled on speculation the company was short of cash. ``There is a clear understanding that the economy, and along with that the real estate market, is probably going to weaken before it gets stronger,'' said Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel. ``But we are going into this weaker period with a fraction of the inventory overhang of a city like Miami.'' Rising Prices New York buyers faced higher prices on all sizes of apartments: studios rose almost 9 percent to a median of $425,000; one-bedrooms climbed 5.5 percent to $727,000; two-bedrooms gained 11 percent to $1.5 million; three-bedrooms rose 3.9 percent to $3.8 million; and apartments with at least four bedrooms were up 56 percent to $10.2 million, Miller Samuel said. About 30 percent of the sales in the quarter were at new developments. In the luxury market, defined as the top 10 percent of sales by price, the median increased just 1.8 percent from a year earlier to $4 million, according to Miller Samuel. In the second quarter, the median luxury price rose 38 percent to $4.95 million, mostly because of closings at condominiums in the recently converted Plaza and at architect Robert A.M. Stern's 15 Central Park West, Manhattan's two most expensive new projects. Co-Op Boards The cost of condos climbed 8.9 percent to a median of $1.22 million. Co-ops, in which owners buy shares in a corporation that owns the building, rose 2.9 percent to $688,000. New York City's residential real estate market is somewhat protected by financing rules set by co-op boards, which often require 20 percent down payments for even the smallest apartments, plus a cash cushion before they approve would-be buyers. The rules prevent speculators or people with poor credit histories from buying even if a bank would allow it, said Steve Malanga, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Brokers including Liebman said they are watching inventory. The number of apartments for sale at the end of the quarter rose 35 percent and was about 23 percent higher than the average over the last five years, Miller Samuel said. Corcoran put the number of unsold apartments at 10,761, the highest in eight years. Brown Harris' Figures Corcoran, which uses research from PropertyShark.com to augment its data and is owned by Apollo Management LP, also reported a higher price increase. Corcoran captured 2,982 sales, representing a five-year low, and reported a jump in median price of 10 percent to $975,000. Data from Manhattan-based brokers Brown Harris Stevens and Halstead Property LLC, owned by Terra Holdings LLC, showed a 12 percent price increase to $910,000. ``I think that we are seeing softening in some of the sectors of the market in terms of prices,'' said Gregory Heym, chief economist for Terra Holdings. ``It's not a huge decline. We've known that sales are slowing for some time.'' All the reports showed rising prices and inventory and a drop in the number of transactions. The numbers vary in part because each includes some of the company's own sales that have yet to show up in the city's public records database. New York may not be headed for as big a plunge in property values as it saw in 1989-91 when a flood of rental buildings were converted into co-operatives just as Wall Street was struggling to recover from the 1987 stock market crash, Malanga said. ``The social fabric in the city is much stronger right now,'' he said. ``You don't have the fear factor. You don't have people wanting to leave.'' [less]
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I told you why 6 months ago! Look no further than the dynamic of new developments, when contracts were signed and when they close! Remove that dynamic, which is coming, and you will see the declines. Similar to the anomalies that lie in BLS statistics on inflation, what goes in will eventually come out!
Expect either 4Q of 2008 or 1Q 2009 to reveal the anomaly
thanks urbandigs. i'm just one of those sitting on the sidelines awaiting for the shoe to drop.
Here's a counterpoint:
http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/sales-down-inventory-up-foreshadow-dark-days-ahead
I'm closing in less than two weeks. Coop contracts signed in summer tend to take longer even with great financing or none etc, because of the mechanics involved.
I wanted to put my apartment on the market two to three years ago but found every reason not to. Then I realized if wanted to make money I would have to do it.
I suspect many coops in contract will be closing by November--at the latest December. New construction I leave to all of you.
I have never lost significant money in the stock market before. I always knew what to do. This entire year I felt like a novice with no insight or inkling...
In New York the two are tied together. If a person doesn't work on the Street usually their money comes from it
I found buyers who are seven degrees of separation from it as I knew the board would love that.
Here, read this discussion:
http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/04/why_manhattan_price_data_will.html
Jade, I agree. When it comes to trading, everything is a learning experience. In this latest downturn, the credit markets have led the equity markets. Read this, "Stocks Lagging Credit Markets" from February when DOW was at 12,600 or so:
http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/02/stocks_lagging_credit_markets.html
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/5363-hisses-not-pops
"Housing prices move much more slowly than stock prices. There are no Black Mondays, when prices fall 23 percent in a day.
In fact, prices often keep rising for a while even after a housing boom goes bust.
So the news that the U.S. housing bubble is over won't come in the form of plunging prices; it will come in the form of falling sales and rising inventory, as sellers try to get prices that buyers are no longer willing to pay. And the process may already have started. Of course, some people still deny that there's a housing bubble. "
median and avg up vs last yr....even in this doom and gloom environment...awesome!!
This article is very cleverly biased. Check the 2nd quarter 2008 report which is available below.
http://www.millersamuel.com/reports/pdf-reports/MMO2Q08.pdf
Note that "in the second quarter, the median sales price of a Manhattan apartment exceeded $1,000,000 for the first time in the history of this report series, reaching $1,025,000 this quarter. This represents a 14.5% increase above the $895,000 median sales price achieved in the prior year quarter" (Q2 07). The article above says "the median price of a condominium and co-op jumped to 7.4% to $928,263". $928,063 / 1,025,000 is .905 so the median price of a Manhattan apartment FELL 9.5% in the last 3 months. The article uses year on year statistics to avoid the obvious fact that the market peaked in late 2007 and is substantially lower and weaker now.
Let's get this straight - Manhattan apartment prices fell 9.5% in the last 3 months. That's an annualized rate of decline of 33%. "AWESOME!"
brodie, you get the prize. You are one of the very few people who understand that the sequential change (3Q vs. 2Q) is far more important than the cosmetically appealing year-over-year change (3Q08 vs. 3Q07). The 10% sequential decline in median prices is a rather incredible data point. Combined with the explosion in inventory, this is clear evidence that the chart is now pointing downward. Brokers, commentators and hopeful owners will take a while to accept this, but anyone with a brain can see pretty clearly what has now happened. Others, of course, need a friggin' hand written letter nailed to their door...expect to hear lots of thrashing and braying from this latter group over the next few days.
> Manhattan apartment prices fell 9.5% in the last 3 months.
Add in the 2-3% drop Q1 to Q2, that looks like 12% to me.
Also note that the same corcoran noted Q2 08 vs. Q2 07 was a 2% decline. Curious to see what the Q3 numbers look like...
brodie....compare apples to apple first of all...second, the credit crisis started in Aug 07 so we are comparing 3q to last yr 3q which has the full year effect of the credit crisis in it and prices STILL went higher........stop thinking you are so clever and learn something...:) have a nice weekend.
12% drop... takes a "special" kind of intelligence to call that an increase.