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Why is NYC defying price drops?

Started by streakeasy
over 17 years ago
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Article from Bloomberg: By Sharon L. Lynch Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Manhattan apartment sales fell for the third consecutive quarter and inventory rose by a third even as prices continued to extend a five-year streak of gains. Third-quarter transactions fell 24 percent to 2,654 from a year earlier and the number of apartments on the market increased to 7,003, New York-based real estate appraiser... [more]
Response by urbandigs
over 17 years ago
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I told you why 6 months ago! Look no further than the dynamic of new developments, when contracts were signed and when they close! Remove that dynamic, which is coming, and you will see the declines. Similar to the anomalies that lie in BLS statistics on inflation, what goes in will eventually come out!

Expect either 4Q of 2008 or 1Q 2009 to reveal the anomaly

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Response by streakeasy
over 17 years ago
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thanks urbandigs. i'm just one of those sitting on the sidelines awaiting for the shoe to drop.

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Response by Special_K
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Response by jadedinNY
over 17 years ago
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I'm closing in less than two weeks. Coop contracts signed in summer tend to take longer even with great financing or none etc, because of the mechanics involved.

I wanted to put my apartment on the market two to three years ago but found every reason not to. Then I realized if wanted to make money I would have to do it.

I suspect many coops in contract will be closing by November--at the latest December. New construction I leave to all of you.

I have never lost significant money in the stock market before. I always knew what to do. This entire year I felt like a novice with no insight or inkling...

In New York the two are tied together. If a person doesn't work on the Street usually their money comes from it

I found buyers who are seven degrees of separation from it as I knew the board would love that.

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Response by urbandigs
over 17 years ago
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Here, read this discussion:

http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/04/why_manhattan_price_data_will.html

Jade, I agree. When it comes to trading, everything is a learning experience. In this latest downturn, the credit markets have led the equity markets. Read this, "Stocks Lagging Credit Markets" from February when DOW was at 12,600 or so:

http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/02/stocks_lagging_credit_markets.html

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Response by type3secretion
over 17 years ago
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http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/5363-hisses-not-pops

"Housing prices move much more slowly than stock prices. There are no Black Mondays, when prices fall 23 percent in a day.

In fact, prices often keep rising for a while even after a housing boom goes bust.

So the news that the U.S. housing bubble is over won't come in the form of plunging prices; it will come in the form of falling sales and rising inventory, as sellers try to get prices that buyers are no longer willing to pay. And the process may already have started. Of course, some people still deny that there's a housing bubble. "

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Response by steveF
over 17 years ago
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median and avg up vs last yr....even in this doom and gloom environment...awesome!!

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Response by brodie
over 17 years ago
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This article is very cleverly biased. Check the 2nd quarter 2008 report which is available below.

http://www.millersamuel.com/reports/pdf-reports/MMO2Q08.pdf

Note that "in the second quarter, the median sales price of a Manhattan apartment exceeded $1,000,000 for the first time in the history of this report series, reaching $1,025,000 this quarter. This represents a 14.5% increase above the $895,000 median sales price achieved in the prior year quarter" (Q2 07). The article above says "the median price of a condominium and co-op jumped to 7.4% to $928,263". $928,063 / 1,025,000 is .905 so the median price of a Manhattan apartment FELL 9.5% in the last 3 months. The article uses year on year statistics to avoid the obvious fact that the market peaked in late 2007 and is substantially lower and weaker now.
Let's get this straight - Manhattan apartment prices fell 9.5% in the last 3 months. That's an annualized rate of decline of 33%. "AWESOME!"

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Response by east_cider
over 17 years ago
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brodie, you get the prize. You are one of the very few people who understand that the sequential change (3Q vs. 2Q) is far more important than the cosmetically appealing year-over-year change (3Q08 vs. 3Q07). The 10% sequential decline in median prices is a rather incredible data point. Combined with the explosion in inventory, this is clear evidence that the chart is now pointing downward. Brokers, commentators and hopeful owners will take a while to accept this, but anyone with a brain can see pretty clearly what has now happened. Others, of course, need a friggin' hand written letter nailed to their door...expect to hear lots of thrashing and braying from this latter group over the next few days.

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Response by nyc10022
over 17 years ago
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> Manhattan apartment prices fell 9.5% in the last 3 months.

Add in the 2-3% drop Q1 to Q2, that looks like 12% to me.

Also note that the same corcoran noted Q2 08 vs. Q2 07 was a 2% decline. Curious to see what the Q3 numbers look like...

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Response by steveF
over 17 years ago
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brodie....compare apples to apple first of all...second, the credit crisis started in Aug 07 so we are comparing 3q to last yr 3q which has the full year effect of the credit crisis in it and prices STILL went higher........stop thinking you are so clever and learn something...:) have a nice weekend.

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Response by nyc10022
over 17 years ago
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12% drop... takes a "special" kind of intelligence to call that an increase.

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