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about 7 weeks ago

Does anybody know if co-ops that have non-amortizing mortgages on the co-op as a whole are now in danger? What is the average size of a mortgage on the co-op relative to the co-op's total maintenance/mortgage revenue? Do co-ops have the right to demand additional payments from members of the co-op to pay down the co-op's mortgage if the banks refuse to refinance?

about 7 weeks ago

I'm no expert on non-amortizing mortgages, but I'd think a building would only refinance if it finds a better mortgage. If the banks refused then the building would just keep its current mortgage.

As for the impact of a mortgage on the building's profits, you'd have to consult the finanicals and teh terms of the mortgage. A mortgage is a balance sheet item, and servicing the mortgage (principal & interest) payments would be expenses, not revenues appearing on the income statement. The building wouldn't earn revenue from a mortgage.

If your building's is able to meet its current mortgage obligations, today's current situation shouldn't affect anything. Not sure what would happen if it needs to find a new loan, you'd have to check the coop bi-laws.

Other factors would pull a building into bankruptcy, such as multiple shareholders defaulting on their mortgages or not paying maintenance fees. This is why coops are (or should be) so strict w reviewing potential tenants.

about 7 weeks ago

I think also, like any other loan, if the owner can't meet his or her obligation the co-op board will put a lien on the property and sell it at market. The building will just get another tenant who can pay the maintenance fee. The former owner will take the loss.

about 7 weeks ago

pgj267, the question was about the building's underlying/wraparound mortgage, not the mortgage on a particular unit's shares.

about 7 weeks ago

pj267, are you implying that the coop would have to put the entire building up for sale if it defaults on its mortgage?

I wonder if this has ever happened...anyone out there know?

about 7 weeks ago

ethanandwendy, I'm not any sort of expert either but I saw this a couple of times in the 1990s. It was very difficult for the co-op to refinance the mortgage but since banks are not in the business of running tenant owned co-op buildings, they were ultimately refinanced. Having said this, interest rates were ugly plus there were hefty fees. Let's say the banks had the buildings over a barrel and they took full advantage of the situation.

End result, higher maintenance fees to reflect higher financing costs which can make the apts less attractive. A special assessment may also be levied to recover operating funds.

about 7 weeks ago

why is it that these buildings have non-amortizing mortgages? I always thought that was a bit silly.

about 7 weeks ago

jrd, agreed. Unless someone (or a coop corp) has really bad financials, why would anyone take a non-amortizing mtg?? seems dumb. IMO, part of the beauty of a mtg is that it amortizes. Might as well take an unsecured loan rather than take a non-amortizing mtg.

Are such coops in trouble? maybe. Scrutinize their financials

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