Enough with the endless of rubbish conflicting real-estate reports.
I think we get it, we are in a world-wide recession and apartment sales are slowing, prices are dropping and the poor feel better about themselves since they were left out during the real-estate boom and felt worthless while their superiors had the financial ability to spend millions and purchase what they couldn't afford. Too bad the recession is only for people; because no matter how many percentage points sales decline in the next silly quarter, you'll always be our minions, we will always carry the heavy tax burdens of this country with the sturdy soles of our Prada or red soled heels of our Louboutin's and most importantly, I'll always be above you all.
Now that that's established, can we please talk about something more interesting, specifically about what I'm going to wear to Obama's inauguration balls and parties?
First of all, I don't live at 15 Central Park West.
Second of all, you asked "which high end condo are you looking at", and I replied with The Residences at the Mandarin Oriental. Did you not ask what building I looked at or am I getting a bit tipsy from the Chateau Lafite (via vintage Gianni Versace for Versace goblet, of course)?
I am not telling you where I live, you little stalker. I have had enough of those and besides, I am a liberal and I wouldn't want you, my beloved little person, to be ruffled up by my ruthless security and thrown back underground with with a metro card en route to the outer-borough where you belong should you be caught intruding.
Seriously, people who live in that building DO NOT call it "The Residences at the Mandarin Oriental" It's called the Time Warner Center. That is what the residents call it and if you do not use that term, then you are full of shirt and do not live there. How is the view from your 5th floor walk up, by the way?
BRABUS, how about you treat us to some beers at a pub in Hell's Kitchen? Bring you back to your roots and make you feel like all charitable and stuff. You can bring your security guard and by all means bring some of those money hungry gold diggers that like to have sex for coke.
Newsflash BRABUS! NYC is getting destroyed by the financial crisis, and much of the wealth is leaving the city, and this will only accelerate. Wealthy people are realizing that the city's high tax burden and low quality of life simply isn't worth it.
FYI, the Time Warner condos are nice, but are not as good as Chicago's water tower condos, park hyatt, elysian, palmolive building, lincoln park 2520, or aqua.
This is absolutely priceless. Rufus v. BRABUS. Wow. Maybe Rufus can be one of B.'s minions. Does it pay well enough for him to buy a first floor studio in the Trump atrocity in Chicago upon retiring at 85, so he can rest in peace before he, well, you know, rests in peace?
bmw,
Thanks for the Twain quote. I can appreciate someone who quotes Twain. Here is another good one:
"A banker is somebody who lends you an umbrella & takes it away as soon as it starts raining."
-- Mark Twain
Twain was swindled out of a bunch of money and had to go on a speaking tour in Europe to maintain his home.
His home in Hartford is well worth a visit, if you have not been there:
"To us our home was not unsentient matter - it had a heart and a soul and eyes to see us with and approvals and deep sympathies - it was of us, and we were in its confidence and lived in its grace and in the peace of its benediction. We never came from an absence that its face did not light up and speak out its eloquent welcome -- and we could not enter unmoved."
407PAS, LOL the first quote that you posted is a funny one, perhaps too relevant to our times, well both of them actually...I love his writing, such a thoughtful and inspiring man. Thanks for the link. It looks like they need money to keep the museum going :(
Oh, alpine, I can't say you don't slightly amuse me dear.
Now why in the name of Coco Chanel would I say I was simply looking at the "Time Warner", when in fact, I can hazily recall my driver halting my S65 AMG curbside, where I was greeted by staff and personally welcomed to the "Residences at the Mandarin Oriental". Me simply referring to my jaunt as a visit to the "Time Warner" would be the equivalent of informing you that I'm laying on "Vercace", when it's not just ordinary Versace I am laying on, it's the turquoise, two thousand thread count, 24 carat gold threaded, Egyptian silk and swarovski-studded show stopper, "modeled" by Naomi which Gianni was going to present the following season for the Versace Home line before he was sadly gunned down by Andrew Cunanan.
Listen, you unenlightened pauper, if you had my good looks, capital and only about a third of my taste, you would know that the Mandarin Oriental Residences at the Time Warner is a separate entity from the ordinary and pedestrian Time Warner apartments with their silly communal entrances.
You don't ever question me. If my staff is barred from every doing such a thing, someone such as yourself is too.
Thanks bmw. Twain understood the absurdity of life and had his share of hardships, with the death of his daughter, Suzy, at a young age, the loss of his wife, and financial ruin. He kept on writing though, and said, of his trouble:
"I bear it as I bear all heavy hardships that befall me--with a heart bursting with rebellion."
He continued to examine
"the nasty underside of American and of human life in general: its brevity, selfishness, and meaninglessness, its hypocritical religiosity, and its devotion to mammon."
He is also the man who wrote:
“The lack of money is the root of all evil.”
Yes, the house is in some trouble and could use donations. I will have to contribute as it would break my heart if it were closed. They wrote this article a while ago:
where they stated that the Mark Twain Foundation turned down a large donation from Steve Wynn, the casino magnate, if they would allow Steve to spend one night in the house. I wrote the author of the article and told her that I did not think Twain would mind having the gambler stay in his house, Twain being a bit of a gambler himself.
It must be more boring at the top having to socialize with all the superficial, pompous and stiff people over and over again. And once in a while there is no other way to get amusement other than boasting to a bunch of strangers and kicking them around a bit. :) Otherwise, wouldn't you be perfectly happy just lazing away and spending your money rather than wasting time talking with folks way beneath you? I think BRABUS needs real friends. :)
rufus, on the other hand, needs to get over it! Chicago still stinks!
"when in fact, I can hazily recall my driver halting my S65 AMG"
Didn't you just aay that you ride around in a Maybach? What happened, you lost your job and had to DOWNGRADE to a S65? My my. So much for the recession only hitting poor people. See you at the soup line!
Ugh, I moved to NYC a few months ago temporarily for a work and work with very rich people for a living, like hundreds of them, and Rufus you annoy the shit out of me with your stupidity.
1. Wealthy people are going nowhere. Where are they going to get such a job that will still keep them wealthy? Birmingham Alabama? Bankrupt California? Florida with their near bankrupt economy? I hope you don't think Chicago.
2. Wealthy don't choose to live in NYC because they have to. They live in NYC because it's the center of wealth and culture and they WANT to be part of the environment. They CHOOSE to live in NYC. The ones that find NYC "inconvenient" live in Connecticut, Westchester and New Jersey you idiot. If you've ever lived in NYC you would know this, but apparently you don't.
3. Do you know why New York didn't just completely burn down to the ground during the 70s? Hint: the cesspool NYC of the early 70s was still filled with rich people who lived in the city and helped keep it afloat. Even I know that.
Newsflash RUFUS! New York is being destroyed, so is London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Zurich, etc. which means every epicenter of wealth is going down. Are you that stupid? What kind of schools did they have growing up in that hick-town Chicago? LONDON WILL LOSE 70,000 FINANCIAL JOBS within the next few months! California is near bankruptcy, and over 1 trillion dollars in person wealth from Californians has evaporated in the span of a few months. Property prices in Tokyo have dropped 75%, the money in Moscow is evaporating. Even Dubai is hurting. What part of world recession do you not understand?
You act as if we are in recession only for New Yorkers, you idiot. If there is no wealth in NYC, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Zurich then I shudder to even think of what will happen in Chicago.
michaelkyleh, NYC's sole bread and butter was finance. The problem is that due to NYC's insane tax rate, companies don't want to move here. The jobs in innovative fields like biotech, venture capital, tech, aerospace, etc., are NOT in NYC.
> michaelkyleh, NYC's sole bread and butter was finance.
Wow, you really are an idiot.
We lead the world in arts employment.
We lead the world in publishing employment
We lead the world in fashion employment.
We lead the world in healthcare employment.
We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston.
And those just the first few off the top of my head.
We used the lead the world in manufacturing, but it pays shitty, so we gave that up to 3rd world places like China and Chicago.
nyc10022, not a single one of the field you just mentioned, produce enough reveneus to make up for NYC's loss in finance jobs. Publishing or fashion? LOL! Most people in those fields are LUCKY to make $80K/year.
You really need to stop drinking the NYC kool-aid.
LMAO, Rufus, so what do you think the fields are Chicago are that will keep the city afloat now that it's lost more jobs than NYC and has far less people?
And no, you dumb fuck, New York's sole bread and butter is NOT finance. Please try gain.
And for the second time, if finance is gone, kiss the industries in Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, etc GOOD BYE, as we have ALREADY witnessed, those cities are suffering harder than the center of finance - New York. It's called the ripple-effect, you moron.
michaelkyleh, neither you nor any other poster can show that the aforementioned industries can bring the same amount of money to the table as finance. Do you even know non-finance people in NYC? Most of them are poor and struggling and live in horrible shitholes like murray hill, where they share a 2-bedroom in windsor court with 3 other people. This financial crisis has absolutely destroyed NYC as an economic and cultural center.
LMAO@ "Absolutely destroyed NYC as a economic and cultural center" How many times has that been said in the past?
Rufus, and if you weren't aware. London is a financial capital. Tokyo and Hong Kong are also considered financial capitals. So if they all collapse, where is the new cultural capital of the world....Chiago? LOL!!
And Rufus, tell me why Chicago is doing WORSE than New York City. Is Chicago solely dependent on finance industry? Really, tell me, I don't know...I thought it was nothing but farms.
Truth is, there will ALWAYS be need for financial services you fucking idiot. Finance is not dead.
michaelkyleh, are you sure you're originally from winnetka? You know nothing about Chicago.
The real estate prices in Chicago are down a lot less than NYC. And most of the high profile projects are still slated for completion while NYC has canceled several major projects: 56 leonard, 5 franklin, beekman tower, tower verre, just to name a few.
According to the Illinois Association of Realty, sales in Chicago have dropped 30-40%.
RUFUS, please research or actually come to NYC before you post such nonsense. Beekman tower is not canceled, as a matter of fact, I can see it going up from my office. 56 Leonard is not canceled either...there work being done underground. Both towers are much nicer than anything Chicago has or is now the Spire is canceled.
Chicago has scraped and halted WAY more projects than NYC, because Obviously NYC has 10X more money and than Chicago. I guess you didn't read this article in the Tribune:
"Skyline on pause: Credit crunch leaves Spire, other towers short"
michaelkyleh, i guess you didn't read the curbed article, which confirms that both 56 Leonard and 5 Franklin are cancelled. The work being done underground has ceased. There has not been activity on the 56 Leonard site in at least a month.
". According to Senbahar, workers finished the 56 Leonard foundation about a month ago, and Con Ed is currently doing underground work, which will take until the end of January. Hence, the abandoned-looking construction site"
"But Senbahar also needs to get the last chunk of the $600 million project’s construction financing before work can move forward. The bank Eurohypo is supposed to provide it, and Senbahar said he is 90 percent sure it will come through in four to six weeks. If the money takes any longer to arrive, 56 Leonard’s December 2010 opening will not happen."
So as we see, there is work being done at 56 Leonard and it is not officially delayed.
Oh and Five Franklin Place is NOT canceled either since it has already gone up. I've walked by it, and it's up to the 3rd floor but construction has not moved for a month or so....so it's probably delayed.
Thank you Rufus and michaelky for replying to rufus and ruining this thread. It was entertaining at the top and you both turned it into another stupid Rufus thread.
I guess Rufus is jealous nobody was paying him attention anymore after BRABUS.
"Now that that's established, can we please talk about something more interesting, specifically about what I'm going to wear to Obama's inauguration balls and parties?"
"nyc10022, not a single one of the field you just mentioned, produce enough reveneus to make up for NYC's loss in finance jobs. Publishing or fashion? LOL! Most people in those fields are LUCKY to make $80K/year. "
Of course not... NOTHING IN THE WORLD pays as much as finance in New York. So, we'll have 20% less of what blows away all other cities.
BTW, Chicago is a joke in finance. It is a joke in biotech. VC is nonexistent (NYC is way ahead in both). In fact, it doesn't do anything well except...well, meatpacking.
Does NYC have any VC or biotech? I thought silicon valley, san diego, dallas, and boston, are the centers for those fields. I never hear about VC or biotech here.
If you're right, then that's interesting. I always though NYC just did traditional finance like banking and private equity but was extremely weak in VC, tech, biotech, and startups. The tax rate here is too high to really support those fields.
Rufus, I don't even live in New York, but I know there is no field, industry or salaried job in the world that pays as much as finance. SF, LA, Dallas, Houston, Chicago are all still operating with their very tiny financial industries, NY will be fine.
So if NYC finance declines, let's say by half, instead of New York City being 3X richer than places like Chicago, Dallas, LA, Houston it will be "only" 2X as rich....well actually, it still might be 3X richer because the high paying jobs in those cities are tied to finance and they are vanishing as we speak.
NY is our most influential country. As Wall Street goes, so does the rest of the world as you've seen in the past few months.
This is one of the reasons everyone is calling Chicago a farm, because it is an irrelevant city that has absolutely no influence on the rest of the world the way NY does.
RR1, you should visit Atlanta. The city has been booming since the Olympics. It's gotten a lot more diverse, and a lot of luxury condos and hotels have gone up in buckhead and midtown. Moreover, a lot of fortune 500 companies have moved there from the northeast, due to lower taxes and a more pro-business environment.
justinb, your harsh language and hostile tone is deeply disturbing.
I'm not condoning julia's negative post; I'm merely saying that NYC is really dirty, and I could see why people would get depressed if they live here for a while. And yes, I've been to most major cities in the world, so I'm speaking from experience.
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It's a travesty that NYC is so dirty, given how much we pay in taxes. You would think we would actually get something for our money, such as clean streets and newer buildings.
julia, i recommend san francisco, chicago, and boston.
"If you're right, then that's interesting. I always though NYC just did traditional finance like banking and private equity but was extremely weak in VC, tech, biotech, and startups. The tax rate here is too high to really support those fields. "
The pulled stats out recently, NYC actually has more tech workers than the Bay Area...
Maybe you don't know because finance SO dominates the rest of the world (and has this city), but NYC does some dominating in other spots as well.
Not sure how this relates to Chicago, though, they don't corruption and beef.
Enough with the endless of rubbish conflicting real-estate reports.
I think we get it, we are in a world-wide recession and apartment sales are slowing, prices are dropping and the poor feel better about themselves since they were left out during the real-estate boom and felt worthless while their superiors had the financial ability to spend millions and purchase what they couldn't afford. Too bad the recession is only for people; because no matter how many percentage points sales decline in the next silly quarter, you'll always be our minions, we will always carry the heavy tax burdens of this country with the sturdy soles of our Prada or red soled heels of our Louboutin's and most importantly, I'll always be above you all.
Now that that's established, can we please talk about something more interesting, specifically about what I'm going to wear to Obama's inauguration balls and parties?
how's things 67, how was the gym today?
BRABUS, which high-end condo buildings are you looking at? What neighborhood do you currently live in?
The Residences at the Mandarin Oriental.
BRABUS, didn't you tell people in curbed that you live in 15 central park west? Or are you having a tough time keeping up with all of your lies?
First of all, I don't live at 15 Central Park West.
Second of all, you asked "which high end condo are you looking at", and I replied with The Residences at the Mandarin Oriental. Did you not ask what building I looked at or am I getting a bit tipsy from the Chateau Lafite (via vintage Gianni Versace for Versace goblet, of course)?
I am not telling you where I live, you little stalker. I have had enough of those and besides, I am a liberal and I wouldn't want you, my beloved little person, to be ruffled up by my ruthless security and thrown back underground with with a metro card en route to the outer-borough where you belong should you be caught intruding.
BRABUS, you'd do well to go to asmallworld.net. Probably more your speed. I know you're trying to spice this plac eup a bit, but it's hopeless.
Seriously, people who live in that building DO NOT call it "The Residences at the Mandarin Oriental" It's called the Time Warner Center. That is what the residents call it and if you do not use that term, then you are full of shirt and do not live there. How is the view from your 5th floor walk up, by the way?
BRABUS, how about you treat us to some beers at a pub in Hell's Kitchen? Bring you back to your roots and make you feel like all charitable and stuff. You can bring your security guard and by all means bring some of those money hungry gold diggers that like to have sex for coke.
ok, Brabus is a major douche... but Alpine292... he said TWO times that he DOESN'T live in the Time warner /mandarin oriental.
Read.
That's right. Brabus lives in a 5th floor walkup with a view of a brick wall.
"Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company."
— Mark Twain
I find BRABUS very entertaining. Who cares whether he is FOS or not!! Bring it on BRABUS!!!
Newsflash BRABUS! NYC is getting destroyed by the financial crisis, and much of the wealth is leaving the city, and this will only accelerate. Wealthy people are realizing that the city's high tax burden and low quality of life simply isn't worth it.
FYI, the Time Warner condos are nice, but are not as good as Chicago's water tower condos, park hyatt, elysian, palmolive building, lincoln park 2520, or aqua.
This is absolutely priceless. Rufus v. BRABUS. Wow. Maybe Rufus can be one of B.'s minions. Does it pay well enough for him to buy a first floor studio in the Trump atrocity in Chicago upon retiring at 85, so he can rest in peace before he, well, you know, rests in peace?
bmw,
Thanks for the Twain quote. I can appreciate someone who quotes Twain. Here is another good one:
"A banker is somebody who lends you an umbrella & takes it away as soon as it starts raining."
-- Mark Twain
Twain was swindled out of a bunch of money and had to go on a speaking tour in Europe to maintain his home.
His home in Hartford is well worth a visit, if you have not been there:
http://www.marktwainhouse.org/
Twain once said of the house:
"To us our home was not unsentient matter - it had a heart and a soul and eyes to see us with and approvals and deep sympathies - it was of us, and we were in its confidence and lived in its grace and in the peace of its benediction. We never came from an absence that its face did not light up and speak out its eloquent welcome -- and we could not enter unmoved."
BRABUS is a homeless swordswallower who who lives in a box down by the river and posts from the internet cafe at the seaport.
BRABUS aka Lorinser:
GTFOHWTBS
now, eat my hamann schnitzer arze.
Yo... mchale! and patient09 (soon to be 10)
Who keeps deleting my labia surgery link for Brabus?
407PAS, LOL the first quote that you posted is a funny one, perhaps too relevant to our times, well both of them actually...I love his writing, such a thoughtful and inspiring man. Thanks for the link. It looks like they need money to keep the museum going :(
Oh, alpine, I can't say you don't slightly amuse me dear.
Now why in the name of Coco Chanel would I say I was simply looking at the "Time Warner", when in fact, I can hazily recall my driver halting my S65 AMG curbside, where I was greeted by staff and personally welcomed to the "Residences at the Mandarin Oriental". Me simply referring to my jaunt as a visit to the "Time Warner" would be the equivalent of informing you that I'm laying on "Vercace", when it's not just ordinary Versace I am laying on, it's the turquoise, two thousand thread count, 24 carat gold threaded, Egyptian silk and swarovski-studded show stopper, "modeled" by Naomi which Gianni was going to present the following season for the Versace Home line before he was sadly gunned down by Andrew Cunanan.
Listen, you unenlightened pauper, if you had my good looks, capital and only about a third of my taste, you would know that the Mandarin Oriental Residences at the Time Warner is a separate entity from the ordinary and pedestrian Time Warner apartments with their silly communal entrances.
You don't ever question me. If my staff is barred from every doing such a thing, someone such as yourself is too.
Rufus vs. Brabus is like Alien vs. Predator
But I have to admit, I find Brabus pretty entertaining
Thanks bmw. Twain understood the absurdity of life and had his share of hardships, with the death of his daughter, Suzy, at a young age, the loss of his wife, and financial ruin. He kept on writing though, and said, of his trouble:
"I bear it as I bear all heavy hardships that befall me--with a heart bursting with rebellion."
He continued to examine
"the nasty underside of American and of human life in general: its brevity, selfishness, and meaninglessness, its hypocritical religiosity, and its devotion to mammon."
He is also the man who wrote:
“The lack of money is the root of all evil.”
Yes, the house is in some trouble and could use donations. I will have to contribute as it would break my heart if it were closed. They wrote this article a while ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/nyregion/03twain.html
where they stated that the Mark Twain Foundation turned down a large donation from Steve Wynn, the casino magnate, if they would allow Steve to spend one night in the house. I wrote the author of the article and told her that I did not think Twain would mind having the gambler stay in his house, Twain being a bit of a gambler himself.
A more recent article on the house and its financial troubles:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/connecticut/21twainct.html
BRABUS is definitely amusing.
It must be more boring at the top having to socialize with all the superficial, pompous and stiff people over and over again. And once in a while there is no other way to get amusement other than boasting to a bunch of strangers and kicking them around a bit. :) Otherwise, wouldn't you be perfectly happy just lazing away and spending your money rather than wasting time talking with folks way beneath you? I think BRABUS needs real friends. :)
rufus, on the other hand, needs to get over it! Chicago still stinks!
"when in fact, I can hazily recall my driver halting my S65 AMG"
Didn't you just aay that you ride around in a Maybach? What happened, you lost your job and had to DOWNGRADE to a S65? My my. So much for the recession only hitting poor people. See you at the soup line!
Ugh, I moved to NYC a few months ago temporarily for a work and work with very rich people for a living, like hundreds of them, and Rufus you annoy the shit out of me with your stupidity.
1. Wealthy people are going nowhere. Where are they going to get such a job that will still keep them wealthy? Birmingham Alabama? Bankrupt California? Florida with their near bankrupt economy? I hope you don't think Chicago.
2. Wealthy don't choose to live in NYC because they have to. They live in NYC because it's the center of wealth and culture and they WANT to be part of the environment. They CHOOSE to live in NYC. The ones that find NYC "inconvenient" live in Connecticut, Westchester and New Jersey you idiot. If you've ever lived in NYC you would know this, but apparently you don't.
3. Do you know why New York didn't just completely burn down to the ground during the 70s? Hint: the cesspool NYC of the early 70s was still filled with rich people who lived in the city and helped keep it afloat. Even I know that.
Newsflash RUFUS! New York is being destroyed, so is London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Zurich, etc. which means every epicenter of wealth is going down. Are you that stupid? What kind of schools did they have growing up in that hick-town Chicago? LONDON WILL LOSE 70,000 FINANCIAL JOBS within the next few months! California is near bankruptcy, and over 1 trillion dollars in person wealth from Californians has evaporated in the span of a few months. Property prices in Tokyo have dropped 75%, the money in Moscow is evaporating. Even Dubai is hurting. What part of world recession do you not understand?
You act as if we are in recession only for New Yorkers, you idiot. If there is no wealth in NYC, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Zurich then I shudder to even think of what will happen in Chicago.
michaelkyleh, NYC's sole bread and butter was finance. The problem is that due to NYC's insane tax rate, companies don't want to move here. The jobs in innovative fields like biotech, venture capital, tech, aerospace, etc., are NOT in NYC.
Are you really this dumb?
> michaelkyleh, NYC's sole bread and butter was finance.
Wow, you really are an idiot.
We lead the world in arts employment.
We lead the world in publishing employment
We lead the world in fashion employment.
We lead the world in healthcare employment.
We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston.
And those just the first few off the top of my head.
We used the lead the world in manufacturing, but it pays shitty, so we gave that up to 3rd world places like China and Chicago.
Wow, rufus is an extra big moron today.
Oh, and btw, NYC has more biotech patents than ANYWHERE else in the world.
nyc10022, not a single one of the field you just mentioned, produce enough reveneus to make up for NYC's loss in finance jobs. Publishing or fashion? LOL! Most people in those fields are LUCKY to make $80K/year.
You really need to stop drinking the NYC kool-aid.
LMAO, Rufus, so what do you think the fields are Chicago are that will keep the city afloat now that it's lost more jobs than NYC and has far less people?
And no, you dumb fuck, New York's sole bread and butter is NOT finance. Please try gain.
And for the second time, if finance is gone, kiss the industries in Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, etc GOOD BYE, as we have ALREADY witnessed, those cities are suffering harder than the center of finance - New York. It's called the ripple-effect, you moron.
michaelkyleh, neither you nor any other poster can show that the aforementioned industries can bring the same amount of money to the table as finance. Do you even know non-finance people in NYC? Most of them are poor and struggling and live in horrible shitholes like murray hill, where they share a 2-bedroom in windsor court with 3 other people. This financial crisis has absolutely destroyed NYC as an economic and cultural center.
Of course you couldn't answer the question.
LMAO@ "Absolutely destroyed NYC as a economic and cultural center" How many times has that been said in the past?
Rufus, and if you weren't aware. London is a financial capital. Tokyo and Hong Kong are also considered financial capitals. So if they all collapse, where is the new cultural capital of the world....Chiago? LOL!!
And Rufus, tell me why Chicago is doing WORSE than New York City. Is Chicago solely dependent on finance industry? Really, tell me, I don't know...I thought it was nothing but farms.
Truth is, there will ALWAYS be need for financial services you fucking idiot. Finance is not dead.
"We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston."
Really? I find that hard to believe - Boston's college population is supposed to be over 250k.
michaelkyleh, are you sure you're originally from winnetka? You know nothing about Chicago.
The real estate prices in Chicago are down a lot less than NYC. And most of the high profile projects are still slated for completion while NYC has canceled several major projects: 56 leonard, 5 franklin, beekman tower, tower verre, just to name a few.
No, Rufus.
According to the Illinois Association of Realty, sales in Chicago have dropped 30-40%.
RUFUS, please research or actually come to NYC before you post such nonsense. Beekman tower is not canceled, as a matter of fact, I can see it going up from my office. 56 Leonard is not canceled either...there work being done underground. Both towers are much nicer than anything Chicago has or is now the Spire is canceled.
Chicago has scraped and halted WAY more projects than NYC, because Obviously NYC has 10X more money and than Chicago. I guess you didn't read this article in the Tribune:
"Skyline on pause: Credit crunch leaves Spire, other towers short"
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2008/11/skyline-on-paus.html
Oh and that Waterview tower you're always talking about is cancelled/delayed.
"We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston."
I did not know this. Is this true? If so, that is an impressive stat.
bjw2103, you a boston boy?
michaelkyleh, i guess you didn't read the curbed article, which confirms that both 56 Leonard and 5 Franklin are cancelled. The work being done underground has ceased. There has not been activity on the 56 Leonard site in at least a month.
Once again, you get your facts mixed up.
". According to Senbahar, workers finished the 56 Leonard foundation about a month ago, and Con Ed is currently doing underground work, which will take until the end of January. Hence, the abandoned-looking construction site"
"But Senbahar also needs to get the last chunk of the $600 million project’s construction financing before work can move forward. The bank Eurohypo is supposed to provide it, and Senbahar said he is 90 percent sure it will come through in four to six weeks. If the money takes any longer to arrive, 56 Leonard’s December 2010 opening will not happen."
So as we see, there is work being done at 56 Leonard and it is not officially delayed.
Your slipping on you Curbed reading, Dufus. That was posted a week ago.
JuiceMan, I doubt it's true, but would love to see the stats at least. And yeah, I spent those years up there myself!
Oh and Five Franklin Place is NOT canceled either since it has already gone up. I've walked by it, and it's up to the 3rd floor but construction has not moved for a month or so....so it's probably delayed.
WHAT....THE..FUCK!!!!
Thank you Rufus and michaelky for replying to rufus and ruining this thread. It was entertaining at the top and you both turned it into another stupid Rufus thread.
I guess Rufus is jealous nobody was paying him attention anymore after BRABUS.
bjw2103, good stuff. I miss my Back Bay flat and North End Italian food, but NYC is the place for me.
Okay, let's get back to BRABUS' question then:
"Now that that's established, can we please talk about something more interesting, specifically about what I'm going to wear to Obama's inauguration balls and parties?"
I'd say a loincloth. LOL!
TOGA, toga
Yo w67 BRABUS is a Pre-Op, his all time favorite movie was "The Crying Game"
Oh man, I hear you, Juice. I miss a lot of things from Boston, but yeah, NYC is it.
"nyc10022, not a single one of the field you just mentioned, produce enough reveneus to make up for NYC's loss in finance jobs. Publishing or fashion? LOL! Most people in those fields are LUCKY to make $80K/year. "
Of course not... NOTHING IN THE WORLD pays as much as finance in New York. So, we'll have 20% less of what blows away all other cities.
BTW, Chicago is a joke in finance. It is a joke in biotech. VC is nonexistent (NYC is way ahead in both). In fact, it doesn't do anything well except...well, meatpacking.
So how exactly is any of this good for Chicago?
I tried Boston, but I just got bored to tears. Its a city in name only.
Does NYC have any VC or biotech? I thought silicon valley, san diego, dallas, and boston, are the centers for those fields. I never hear about VC or biotech here.
More biotech patents in NYC than any city you mentioned....
NYC is #3 or 4 city in traditional VC funds, and it jumps much higher when you include the PE firms that do tech... plus the angels.
Dallas? I don't even think they make the list.
"I tried Boston, but I just got bored to tears. Its a city in name only."
I'd never say it's as cosmopolitan as here, but that last statement is just wrong.
If you're right, then that's interesting. I always though NYC just did traditional finance like banking and private equity but was extremely weak in VC, tech, biotech, and startups. The tax rate here is too high to really support those fields.
Rufus, I don't even live in New York, but I know there is no field, industry or salaried job in the world that pays as much as finance. SF, LA, Dallas, Houston, Chicago are all still operating with their very tiny financial industries, NY will be fine.
So if NYC finance declines, let's say by half, instead of New York City being 3X richer than places like Chicago, Dallas, LA, Houston it will be "only" 2X as rich....well actually, it still might be 3X richer because the high paying jobs in those cities are tied to finance and they are vanishing as we speak.
NY is our most influential country. As Wall Street goes, so does the rest of the world as you've seen in the past few months.
This is one of the reasons everyone is calling Chicago a farm, because it is an irrelevant city that has absolutely no influence on the rest of the world the way NY does.
If Chicago is so "irrelevant," then why is it on the verge of winning the 2016 Olympics bid?
Well, Atlanta hosted the Olympics in the past and I say Atlanta is about as irrelevant as one can get.
RR1, you should visit Atlanta. The city has been booming since the Olympics. It's gotten a lot more diverse, and a lot of luxury condos and hotels have gone up in buckhead and midtown. Moreover, a lot of fortune 500 companies have moved there from the northeast, due to lower taxes and a more pro-business environment.
quantum, you are rufus and you are also JohnAnthony. I really feel badly for you.
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quantum
about 2 weeks ago
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justinb, your harsh language and hostile tone is deeply disturbing.
I'm not condoning julia's negative post; I'm merely saying that NYC is really dirty, and I could see why people would get depressed if they live here for a while. And yes, I've been to most major cities in the world, so I'm speaking from experience.
quantum
13 days ago
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It's a travesty that NYC is so dirty, given how much we pay in taxes. You would think we would actually get something for our money, such as clean streets and newer buildings.
julia, i recommend san francisco, chicago, and boston.
> Well, Atlanta hosted the Olympics in the past and I say Atlanta is about as irrelevant as one can get.
So did sarajevo. So did beijing (right before china crashed). So did Salt Lake City. So did Athens. So did Rio.
If thats the company Chicago keeps, makes sense...
"If you're right, then that's interesting. I always though NYC just did traditional finance like banking and private equity but was extremely weak in VC, tech, biotech, and startups. The tax rate here is too high to really support those fields. "
The pulled stats out recently, NYC actually has more tech workers than the Bay Area...
Maybe you don't know because finance SO dominates the rest of the world (and has this city), but NYC does some dominating in other spots as well.
Not sure how this relates to Chicago, though, they don't corruption and beef.
I gotta agree this place is totally boring when the discussion focuses on some peripheral cities like Chicago. I'm so over this nonsense!
2nd that McHale :)