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NY Times - Wall Street Pay Differential to Disappear

Started by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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My apologies if this got posted, but I didn't see it. Interesting take on long term Wall Street compensation... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/business/23norris.html?_r=1&ref=business It is one thing when the best-paid people seem to be the smartest and the most accomplished. Those who make much less may not like it, but the differential seems understandable. It is another thing when those... [more]
Response by petrfitz
almost 17 years ago
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"The sense of entitlement that's been engendered in this group of people has clearly not been beaten out of them by the brutal performance of the financial sector over the course of the last year," says Bob O'Brien, stocks editor at Barrons.com.

Of course, what's most sickening to the vast majority of Americans is these bonuses were paid (mostly) by the same firms who've received TARP funds. The rationale that "bonuses must be paid or we'll lose our best people" doesn't hold water when everybody on Wall Street is suffering and cutting back. Similarly, the idea "there are separate pools of capital for bonuses vs. lending" doesn't hold water when Wall Street CEOs say "money is fungible" as a way of explaining why they can't track TARP funds.

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Response by petrfitz
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Also I disagree that Wall Street is filled with "smartest and the most accomplished" most of the people who work on Wall Street ended up there because they have no real talents, they do not have the ability to create things - businesses, content, etc. All they have the ability for it to put transactions together and take aggregious fees. Is that "accomplished?"

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Response by Topper
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Fascinating, nyc10022. Thanks.

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Response by notadmin
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thanks nyc10022, great info!

another thing i would add is that the benefits of being concentrated on a tiny and very expensive location went down and will only go lower thanks to technology. we see that already with the hedge fund industry. so it's not a given that nyc will reap most of the benefits when the sector rebounds.

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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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Well, that argument was used against NYC in the late 90s. I read all the books called "Death of Wall Street" and such that made exactly the same point. Thing is, none of that mattered.

You can do it anywhere, for sure, but the concentration matters. The candidates, the companies... having meetings in the same place, all that.

Hedge Fund industry is RIDICULOUSLY contentated in east midtown in Greenwich... NYMag did a map of it once. When you are talking about THAT much money, saving $25 psf to go to Chicago is just not something anyone considers...

The bigger issue is that, it doesn't matter if it goes or stays, you're talking about the thing that propelled Manhattan RE basically gone in its current form.

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Response by farquhar
almost 17 years ago
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What'll be interesting to see is if the sideline buyers who are allegedly "rushing back" into the market have a change of heart based on the signals from the government to ice bonuses.

I would think all this Obama- and Cuomo-speak will put another chill on buyer sentiment.

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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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"What'll be interesting to see is if the sideline buyers who are allegedly "rushing back" into the market have a change of heart based on the signals from the government to ice bonuses."

The "rushing back" was myth in the first place....

When the first trouble hits, generally more folks rush TO the sidelines than were ever there in the first place. And those on the sidelines often become even less likely to buy.

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