LIC Sucks

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> Eddie, the FDR abuts the river, but I'm not sure what your actual point is here.

Correcting your mistake. You basically inferred that there was no 20th & C, and I corrected you.

Here is your line:
> Also, I believe being at "20th & C" would put firmly in the East River, no?

What I gave was a fairly logical response to your mistake. 20th & C is NOT in the east river. Not sure why you are questioning it...

bjw2103: about 15 months ago

tenemental, I can't speak to the L of old, outside of the handful of times I used it per month, but the breakdowns have not posed a problem for me as of yet. I figure that problem will rear its head eventually, of course, but I've been good so far. The only major delay was at 6th Ave, which isn't a big deal, depending on where you're headed. I do have the JMZ, though that's a 15 min walk from my place. Overall though, I do agree the situation is far from ideal, but I think you will find similar problems in many Manhattan neighborhoods. When I lived on the UES, I only had the 6, and if there were issues, I had the buses (which are incredibly slow). I've also lived on the UWS and in Nolita, which were much better, but my gf lives on the LES, and the F is pretty bad, especially on weekends, so it really varies quite a bit. I've noticed more cabs in WB, and hopefully that trend continues.

tenemental: about 15 months ago

I've been a very harsh critic of the L so I thought I should chime in. The congestion and breakdowns (or shutdowns, as it's been an experimental line for the MTA) have been unbearable in recent years. Reliability and frequency were the big problems in years past; the congestion seemed to develop along with the influx to WB and Greenpoint (the demographic shift was obvious). The past few months have been better, congestion-wise, though yesterday really sucked (couldn't fit on the first train and was squeezed between riders on the 2nd). I wonder if the lessening of congestion has to do with commuter's lighter summer schedules? I hope not.

Folks in Brooklyn don't have it as bad as I do at 1st Ave, and people are always left stranded at 3rd Ave after the train has reached capacity at 1st. I know bjw2103 can fall back on the J/M/Z for work, but I'd be very wary if I was totally at the mercy of the L. Besides going home and getting a bicycle, no one's ever explained to me what someone dependent on the L does when it's not running. A bus from Bklyn? I'm sure the car services are instantly swamped when the train is down.

As for its #1 status, it was also 3rd worst for congestion ("Chance Of Getting A Seat"), but like I said, it has been better lately than in the recent past.

alanhart: about 15 months ago

I rode the L when I lived in Wmsbgh 1984-1990, and I'm glad to hear that it's become #1 by some measures -- it certainly had nowhere to go but up. However, the key problem always hovers over it: it's a two-track line with a two-track tunnel, leaving little room for flexibility when something goes wrong or track maintenance is needed.

Too bad the 2nd Ave. subway will (if ever opened) be the same scenario, but with the Lex nearby as an alternative, at least. At one point it was planned as a six-track line.

bjw2103: about 15 months ago

Eddie, the FDR abuts the river, but I'm not sure what your actual point is here.

"Also, just ask a WB person how many times there have been MAJOR issues with that train."

I am a "WB person," so I have pretty good first-hand knowledge of the L's issues. I can tell you things have much improved this year. It is one of the better lines in the system now, believe it or not. The L was one of my major concerns prior to moving, so I timed several commutes to make sure. The total trip time is consistently good. It took me just as long to get to work from W74th to Wall St as it does now.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> Hmmm, another person who thinks Eddie Wilson is an ass. Interesting . . .

Another 100, and I can be LICComment!

LICComment: about 15 months ago

Hmmm, another person who thinks Eddie Wilson is an ass. Interesting . . .

rlakhatan: about 15 months ago

Eddie, you are offensive. Long Island City is a community where people live. If you don't want to live in LIC, then don't, but you can't judge the area if you are an outsider. I suggest if you have nothing nice to say you don't say anything.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

Sorry, TheFed, I fell off again!

LIC sucks!

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> 20th and C is PCV, but it's essentially on the FDR.

None of those are in the East River...
;-)

> The L is way better than you give it credit for. It runs quite frequently, at
> almost any time of day/night,

A friend from hs is in the arts, and still lives in PC/ST. I've gone to him and waited for him enough times to disagree with that statement. I also happened to take that train daily at one point... but I recognize that things could have improved (but didn't really).

> and is the only line that tells you when the next
> train is arriving.

It got that because it was the worst train, it has major issues with the tunnel and how often they can run trains. Also, just ask a WB person how many times there have been MAJOR issues with that train.

The big point is, its about total trip. I'd rather be on some lines that get you pretty close with one train, with some requiring a change, then HAVING to change for almost anywhere. When you have to factor in wait times, that can be SUPER long...

bjw2103: about 15 months ago

"No, I didn't, you are inferring something I didn't say."

Well, you actually heavily implied it, by following the phrase "primary neighborhoods" with "west midtown, UWS, or W village": "In the end, it boils down to how bad is the trip to primary neighborhoods. To west midtown or UWS or W village, thats a pretty poor place to be."

The L is way better than you give it credit for. It runs quite frequently, at almost any time of day/night, and is the only line that tells you when the next train is arriving.

20th and C is PCV, but it's essentially on the FDR.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> Guys please! Can we go back to crapping on LIC?!

LOL.

I did say I like Evillage... in the end, I think we can all agree that its got a lot more going for it than LIC.

TheFed: about 15 months ago

Guys please! Can we go back to crapping on LIC?!

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> Actually, it all started by you saying that anywhere near a subway stop was not in the east village

Not correct. It started with this sentence from me:
"I like the Evillage, but it will always suffer from the lousy transportation problem."

which you responded to with "not to change the subject, but the EV transport problem only really applies to alphabet city. depending on where you live, you may have the F/V or the 6 both close by (or both)"

The talk was clearly neighborhood. You started the talk about personal when you went to "well, I can get to the 6"

> Don't let those trains in DUMBO keep you up at night.

Sour grapes? And I live closer to the Brooklyn, we don't hear the trains...

> Good luck with your eventual move to FIDI.

Why thank you. But, I'm thinking long term its probably UES...

evillager: about 15 months ago

Actually, it all started by you saying that anywhere near a subway stop was not in the east village, as defined by you, because when you lived there alphabet city was the entire east village

Don't let those trains in DUMBO keep you up at night. Good luck with your eventual move to FIDI.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> Eddie, it's arrogant because you assume everyone wants to go to the WV or Midtown West.

No, I didn't, you are inferring something I didn't say. But I figure anyone with a brain would figure that good transportation means ability to get to more desinations that folks are likely to want to get to. West 30s isn't a great transportation neighborhood simply because you can get to Long Island quick...

> Regardless, I don't think there's a single spot in Manhattan with great subway access
> to every other "desirable" neighorhood.

Didn't say that either. But certain neighborhoods are CERTAINLY better at that than others...

> The closest thing might be living along 14th St, since the L connects to almost every single line.

I think its one of the worst... it means a definite connection for almost anything, and that train runs very infrequently off hours. To me, the best spots would be ones with choices, and at least one going east side, and another going west, and even better having express choices.

> Also, I believe being at "20th & C" would put firmly in the East River, no?

Only if you aren't in Manhattan.

20th & C is Peter Cooper...

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> Sweet jesus, are you retarded?

Yes, keep praying, some day you'll get a brain.

> When you buy an apartment, do you care if there are parts of
> your neighborhood with poor subway access

Once again, it was a comparison of neighborhoods made above, not specific apartments. Unless you have trouble with reading comprehension, thats fairly obvious. It was talking about LIC vs. Evillage, etc.

This isn't about YOU, get over yourself. This is about entire neighborhoods, and yes, for the majory if the east village, subway access is piss poor...

bjw2103: about 15 months ago

Eddie, it's arrogant because you assume everyone wants to go to the WV or Midtown West. I know the Sex and the City tourbus goes there, but that's actually causing some people to actually avoid that part of town. Regardless, I don't think there's a single spot in Manhattan with great subway access to every other "desirable" neighorhood. The closest thing might be living along 14th St, since the L connects to almost every single line. Also, I believe being at "20th & C" would put firmly in the East River, no?

evillager: about 15 months ago

Sweet jesus, are you retarded? The I was just like the YOU used above.

When you buy an apartment, do you care if there are parts of your neighborhood with poor subway access, or if you have it? You said the whole EV has poor subway access...not true. Many parts have quite good access, and you are saying none do.

Also, to say the 6 is useless is pretty amazing. That gets you to a lot of financial firms, both near GC and in the 50s between 5th and lex.

Your attitudes and opinions on neighborhood (and now subways!) are absurd. I don't know why anyone would listen to you.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> And again, who cares if some porion of the EV has poor subway access?
> What matters is if *I* have good subway access, which I do.

Well, glad you wasted all our time then. This wasn't a thread about YOUR access to the subway and YOU getting to where YOU want to go, this was about the general transportation situation of the neighborhood... which, not after way too much time, you're finally admitting I was right about...

> And again, who cares if some porion of the EV has poor subway access? What matters
> is if *I* have good subway access, which I do. I am actually glad alphabet city
> has poor subway access, because it helps to keep down the number of tourists.

Given that alphabet city is by anyone's definition the majority of the EV, then you're clearly inferred that the majority of the EV has lousy subway access.

I don't personally care where you live, and its sort of arrogant to think that we're talking about YOU.

Its the neighborhood that was being talked about, and its pertty clear that the neighborhood has subway issues.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

How is that arrogant exactly? I'm talking about destinations that someone living in this town would generally have to go to in the course of living here, hanging out here.. I figure access to central park or the west village or midtown is more important than access to 20th & c, no?

If good subway access is about being able to get to the places most New Yorkers would want to go, leaving out WHERE the subway line you are on goes as party of the "subway access" argument is a bit silly.

evillager: about 15 months ago

Let's see...the 6 takes you to grand central, the F/V to Rock Center. Those take care of anywhere I would need to go to work. I can also switch to the B/D from the F and go to Columbus circle. Thankfully, I have no reason to go to times square.

And again, who cares if some porion of the EV has poor subway access? What matters is if *I* have good subway access, which I do. I am actually glad alphabet city has poor subway access, because it helps to keep down the number of tourists.

bjw2103: about 15 months ago

evillager, agreed, subway value differs greatly from person to person, and you shouldn't worry about the entire neighborhood. I don't know how this conversation devolved into subway analysis, but as I noted, Eddie's done this before. Sorry you find the L, 6, and F to be so poor. It's really not just about access to what you deem to be "primary neighborhoods." That's a bit arrogant.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

Good logic requires good assumptions. I'm not so sure about yours. I'd say 3-4 blocks from *useful* lines (or choice) represents "good subway access". The L isn't very helpful, the 6 is very poor if you are going anywhere but the east side. F is a hair better, but slow. I'd more go with additional choices within a few more. In the end, it boils down to how bad is the trip to primary neighborhoods. To west midtown or UWS or W village, thats a pretty poor place to be. It would be much better if the 6 connected to more lines well. Even the 6/F transition is horrible. And having to go to 42 or 60 just to go west, not good.

But, even if you went with the very broad definition, that still means a HUGE chunk of the evillage has piss poor subway access... hell, when you have to pretty much leave the neighborhood to get any subway, I think you're officially talking about bottom of the barrel.

evillager: about 15 months ago

Hey Eddie, I like logic!

For instance, if we can agree that "good subway access" is defined as living within 3-4 blocks of a subway, then by definition, a big part of the east village has "good subway access"

See how it works, Eddie?

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> it's quite another if you simply could never afford to buy in manhattan, and are
> now on this board > posting incessantly in hopes that it will help cause prices to fall.

Its a good thing you don't let anything like facts or logic stand in the way of your immature need to insult...

evillager: about 15 months ago

bjw - even if it was accurate (which it isn't, only for certain parts of the EV), who cares? what matters is if YOU have subway access, not whether your entire neighborhood does. you can live in many places in the EV and be within a few blocks of a subway. isn't that what would matter to you when buying a place?

of course, my (bigger) point is that this "eddiewilson" is completely full of crap, and has said lots of things that make no sense whatsoever and has shown his lack of knowledge about many areas in nyc which he claims to know or have lived in. yet he posts his views on the market as if he's an authority...

it's one thing if you sold your apartment when you thought prices were getting too speculative...it's quite another if you simply could never afford to buy in manhattan, and are now on this board posting incessantly in hopes that it will help cause prices to fall. I don't think that exactly makes you some real estate soothsayer (nor do I think it will be effective).

bjw2103: about 15 months ago

"the East Village is POORLY served by the subways"

This is an inaccurate statement - the EV is actually GREAT for transportation in certain spots - see 2nd and 2nd (you have easy access to BDFV and 6, and not much further to NRW), and pretty terrible in others (8th and B for example). I find it a bit ironic that you're knocking EV subway access when you were trumpeting Dumbo's quite recently.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> So why not answer my questions then?

Because, besides being wrong (again!).... you're still off the point... the East Village is POORLY served by the subways. That you have to walk outside the neighborhood to get to the 6 local, and the southernmost edge has an F, thats about as bad as it gets... even if you claim the L, you're still talking edge of the neighborhood, and doesn't really go anywhere you couldn't walk...

You can try and turn this as personal as you want, but the Evillage is *significantly* challenged transportation-wise....

> how big is your apt

Bigger than yours, in a more expensive neighborhood. We'll leave it at that...

evillager: about 15 months ago

The only options I left out are 1) you living with your parents live in alphabet city, or 2) you living there while in college

So why not answer my questions then?

again:
1) where do you live, how big is your apt
2) have you EVER owned proprty in NYC
3) what do you do for a living?

Oh, and by the way, the "go back to ohio" attack is the lamest one yet, and usually used by people living in rent stabilized apts.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

try all you want, you're not even close (as usual)... I love how I aged another 4 years since yesterday.

Logic clearly escapes you, EV.... your assumptions are pretty poor.

> I'd say all those points are revelant to your credibility, which right now is zero

Yes, I define my credibility by what the guy who moved here from Ohio says..

evillager: about 15 months ago

eddie, let's see here...

typical age of graduating college + moving to nyc = 22
last year in 80s = 1989
2008 - 1989 = 19
19+22 = 41 = youngest age of "eddie"

or, more likely, "way into 1980s" = 1985
2008 - 1985 = 23
23 + 22 = 45 = likely age of "eddie"

if my math is wrong, please correct me

while you're at it, why don't you let us know
1) what neighborhood you and size apt live in
2) if you have ever owned property in nyc. did you sell as you saw prices running up, or have you just never been able to afford buying?
3) what you do for a living, since you have claimed to be "buy side" before

since you portray yourself as such a real estate expert, I'd say all those points are revelant to your credibility, which right now is zero

if you won't share that in general terms (not asking for actual addresses and company name, obviously), why not? what are you hiding?

oh, and one last question:
4) is 9th and 2nd in the east village? if not, where is it?

newaccount: about 15 months ago

bump :)

stealth1: about 15 months ago

For those who have invested in LIC, it would be my humble suggestion to let this thread "die". It is giving the area a VERY bad rep for the many of us who had no opinion either way.

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

> eddie, the term "east village" has been around for 20 years. you may not be 45,
> but my point is that you are lying about something. your story doesn't add up.

Maybe because you can't add...
;-)

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

Damn, I look really good for my age.

But folks were saying Alphabet City way into the 80s....

alanhart: about 15 months ago

I'd rather insult LICComment, but EddieWilson: "Whatever you call it, I spent considerable time in the neighborhood before the name change" . . . before the 1960s? Maybe you ARE 70 and living in Hoboken!

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

LIC, don't you have a class trip to the zoo or something?

Are you really complaining about ANYONE else on this board when you're the biggest scmhuck who does *nothing* but insult. You haven't posted a fact since you put your e-mail address into the registration screen.

evillager: about 15 months ago

eddie, the term "east village" has been around for 20 years. you may not be 45, but my point is that you are lying about something. your story doesn't add up.

and you still won't admit 9th and 2nd is in the east village!

EddieWilson: about 15 months ago

Oh, and if its school dropping you want, I went to one of the *good* ivies...