This place is totally boring.

w67thstreet: about 10 months ago

2nd that McHale :)

cleanslate: about 10 months ago

I gotta agree this place is totally boring when the discussion focuses on some peripheral cities like Chicago. I'm so over this nonsense!

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

"If you're right, then that's interesting. I always though NYC just did traditional finance like banking and private equity but was extremely weak in VC, tech, biotech, and startups. The tax rate here is too high to really support those fields. "

The pulled stats out recently, NYC actually has more tech workers than the Bay Area...

Maybe you don't know because finance SO dominates the rest of the world (and has this city), but NYC does some dominating in other spots as well.

Not sure how this relates to Chicago, though, they don't corruption and beef.

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

> Well, Atlanta hosted the Olympics in the past and I say Atlanta is about as irrelevant as one can get.

So did sarajevo. So did beijing (right before china crashed). So did Salt Lake City. So did Athens. So did Rio.

If thats the company Chicago keeps, makes sense...

oldbuyers: about 10 months ago

quantum, you are rufus and you are also JohnAnthony. I really feel badly for you.

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quantum
about 2 weeks ago
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justinb, your harsh language and hostile tone is deeply disturbing.

I'm not condoning julia's negative post; I'm merely saying that NYC is really dirty, and I could see why people would get depressed if they live here for a while. And yes, I've been to most major cities in the world, so I'm speaking from experience.

quantum
13 days ago
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It's a travesty that NYC is so dirty, given how much we pay in taxes. You would think we would actually get something for our money, such as clean streets and newer buildings.

julia, i recommend san francisco, chicago, and boston.

quantum: about 10 months ago

RR1, you should visit Atlanta. The city has been booming since the Olympics. It's gotten a lot more diverse, and a lot of luxury condos and hotels have gone up in buckhead and midtown. Moreover, a lot of fortune 500 companies have moved there from the northeast, due to lower taxes and a more pro-business environment.

RR1: about 10 months ago

Well, Atlanta hosted the Olympics in the past and I say Atlanta is about as irrelevant as one can get.

quantum: about 10 months ago

If Chicago is so "irrelevant," then why is it on the verge of winning the 2016 Olympics bid?

lany3: about 10 months ago

Rufus, I don't even live in New York, but I know there is no field, industry or salaried job in the world that pays as much as finance. SF, LA, Dallas, Houston, Chicago are all still operating with their very tiny financial industries, NY will be fine.

So if NYC finance declines, let's say by half, instead of New York City being 3X richer than places like Chicago, Dallas, LA, Houston it will be "only" 2X as rich....well actually, it still might be 3X richer because the high paying jobs in those cities are tied to finance and they are vanishing as we speak.

NY is our most influential country. As Wall Street goes, so does the rest of the world as you've seen in the past few months.

This is one of the reasons everyone is calling Chicago a farm, because it is an irrelevant city that has absolutely no influence on the rest of the world the way NY does.

JohnAnthony: about 10 months ago

If you're right, then that's interesting. I always though NYC just did traditional finance like banking and private equity but was extremely weak in VC, tech, biotech, and startups. The tax rate here is too high to really support those fields.

bjw2103: about 10 months ago

"I tried Boston, but I just got bored to tears. Its a city in name only."

I'd never say it's as cosmopolitan as here, but that last statement is just wrong.

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

More biotech patents in NYC than any city you mentioned....

NYC is #3 or 4 city in traditional VC funds, and it jumps much higher when you include the PE firms that do tech... plus the angels.

Dallas? I don't even think they make the list.

JohnAnthony: about 10 months ago

Does NYC have any VC or biotech? I thought silicon valley, san diego, dallas, and boston, are the centers for those fields. I never hear about VC or biotech here.

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

I tried Boston, but I just got bored to tears. Its a city in name only.

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

"nyc10022, not a single one of the field you just mentioned, produce enough reveneus to make up for NYC's loss in finance jobs. Publishing or fashion? LOL! Most people in those fields are LUCKY to make $80K/year. "

Of course not... NOTHING IN THE WORLD pays as much as finance in New York. So, we'll have 20% less of what blows away all other cities.

BTW, Chicago is a joke in finance. It is a joke in biotech. VC is nonexistent (NYC is way ahead in both). In fact, it doesn't do anything well except...well, meatpacking.

So how exactly is any of this good for Chicago?

bjw2103: about 10 months ago

Oh man, I hear you, Juice. I miss a lot of things from Boston, but yeah, NYC is it.

McHale: about 10 months ago

Yo w67 BRABUS is a Pre-Op, his all time favorite movie was "The Crying Game"

aboutready: about 10 months ago

TOGA, toga

cleanslate: about 10 months ago

Okay, let's get back to BRABUS' question then:

"Now that that's established, can we please talk about something more interesting, specifically about what I'm going to wear to Obama's inauguration balls and parties?"

I'd say a loincloth. LOL!

JuiceMan: about 10 months ago

bjw2103, good stuff. I miss my Back Bay flat and North End Italian food, but NYC is the place for me.

RR1: about 10 months ago

WHAT....THE..FUCK!!!!

Thank you Rufus and michaelky for replying to rufus and ruining this thread. It was entertaining at the top and you both turned it into another stupid Rufus thread.

I guess Rufus is jealous nobody was paying him attention anymore after BRABUS.

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

Oh and Five Franklin Place is NOT canceled either since it has already gone up. I've walked by it, and it's up to the 3rd floor but construction has not moved for a month or so....so it's probably delayed.

bjw2103: about 10 months ago

JuiceMan, I doubt it's true, but would love to see the stats at least. And yeah, I spent those years up there myself!

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

Your slipping on you Curbed reading, Dufus. That was posted a week ago.

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

". According to Senbahar, workers finished the 56 Leonard foundation about a month ago, and Con Ed is currently doing underground work, which will take until the end of January. Hence, the abandoned-looking construction site"

"But Senbahar also needs to get the last chunk of the $600 million project’s construction financing before work can move forward. The bank Eurohypo is supposed to provide it, and Senbahar said he is 90 percent sure it will come through in four to six weeks. If the money takes any longer to arrive, 56 Leonard’s December 2010 opening will not happen."

So as we see, there is work being done at 56 Leonard and it is not officially delayed.

rufus: about 10 months ago

michaelkyleh, i guess you didn't read the curbed article, which confirms that both 56 Leonard and 5 Franklin are cancelled. The work being done underground has ceased. There has not been activity on the 56 Leonard site in at least a month.

Once again, you get your facts mixed up.

JuiceMan: about 10 months ago

"We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston."

I did not know this. Is this true? If so, that is an impressive stat.

bjw2103, you a boston boy?

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

No, Rufus.

According to the Illinois Association of Realty, sales in Chicago have dropped 30-40%.

RUFUS, please research or actually come to NYC before you post such nonsense. Beekman tower is not canceled, as a matter of fact, I can see it going up from my office. 56 Leonard is not canceled either...there work being done underground. Both towers are much nicer than anything Chicago has or is now the Spire is canceled.

Chicago has scraped and halted WAY more projects than NYC, because Obviously NYC has 10X more money and than Chicago. I guess you didn't read this article in the Tribune:

"Skyline on pause: Credit crunch leaves Spire, other towers short"

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2008/11/skyline-on-paus.html

Oh and that Waterview tower you're always talking about is cancelled/delayed.

rufus: about 10 months ago

michaelkyleh, are you sure you're originally from winnetka? You know nothing about Chicago.

The real estate prices in Chicago are down a lot less than NYC. And most of the high profile projects are still slated for completion while NYC has canceled several major projects: 56 leonard, 5 franklin, beekman tower, tower verre, just to name a few.

bjw2103: about 10 months ago

"We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston."

Really? I find that hard to believe - Boston's college population is supposed to be over 250k.

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

Of course you couldn't answer the question.

LMAO@ "Absolutely destroyed NYC as a economic and cultural center" How many times has that been said in the past?

Rufus, and if you weren't aware. London is a financial capital. Tokyo and Hong Kong are also considered financial capitals. So if they all collapse, where is the new cultural capital of the world....Chiago? LOL!!

And Rufus, tell me why Chicago is doing WORSE than New York City. Is Chicago solely dependent on finance industry? Really, tell me, I don't know...I thought it was nothing but farms.

Truth is, there will ALWAYS be need for financial services you fucking idiot. Finance is not dead.

rufus: about 10 months ago

michaelkyleh, neither you nor any other poster can show that the aforementioned industries can bring the same amount of money to the table as finance. Do you even know non-finance people in NYC? Most of them are poor and struggling and live in horrible shitholes like murray hill, where they share a 2-bedroom in windsor court with 3 other people. This financial crisis has absolutely destroyed NYC as an economic and cultural center.

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

LMAO, Rufus, so what do you think the fields are Chicago are that will keep the city afloat now that it's lost more jobs than NYC and has far less people?

And no, you dumb fuck, New York's sole bread and butter is NOT finance. Please try gain.

And for the second time, if finance is gone, kiss the industries in Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, etc GOOD BYE, as we have ALREADY witnessed, those cities are suffering harder than the center of finance - New York. It's called the ripple-effect, you moron.

rufus: about 10 months ago

nyc10022, not a single one of the field you just mentioned, produce enough reveneus to make up for NYC's loss in finance jobs. Publishing or fashion? LOL! Most people in those fields are LUCKY to make $80K/year.

You really need to stop drinking the NYC kool-aid.

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

Oh, and btw, NYC has more biotech patents than ANYWHERE else in the world.

nyc10022: about 10 months ago

> michaelkyleh, NYC's sole bread and butter was finance.

Wow, you really are an idiot.

We lead the world in arts employment.
We lead the world in publishing employment
We lead the world in fashion employment.
We lead the world in healthcare employment.
We have most college students in just downtown brooklyn than all of Boston.
And those just the first few off the top of my head.
We used the lead the world in manufacturing, but it pays shitty, so we gave that up to 3rd world places like China and Chicago.

Wow, rufus is an extra big moron today.

rufus: about 10 months ago

michaelkyleh, NYC's sole bread and butter was finance. The problem is that due to NYC's insane tax rate, companies don't want to move here. The jobs in innovative fields like biotech, venture capital, tech, aerospace, etc., are NOT in NYC.

Are you really this dumb?

michaelkyleh: about 10 months ago

Ugh, I moved to NYC a few months ago temporarily for a work and work with very rich people for a living, like hundreds of them, and Rufus you annoy the shit out of me with your stupidity.

1. Wealthy people are going nowhere. Where are they going to get such a job that will still keep them wealthy? Birmingham Alabama? Bankrupt California? Florida with their near bankrupt economy? I hope you don't think Chicago.

2. Wealthy don't choose to live in NYC because they have to. They live in NYC because it's the center of wealth and culture and they WANT to be part of the environment. They CHOOSE to live in NYC. The ones that find NYC "inconvenient" live in Connecticut, Westchester and New Jersey you idiot. If you've ever lived in NYC you would know this, but apparently you don't.

3. Do you know why New York didn't just completely burn down to the ground during the 70s? Hint: the cesspool NYC of the early 70s was still filled with rich people who lived in the city and helped keep it afloat. Even I know that.

Newsflash RUFUS! New York is being destroyed, so is London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Zurich, etc. which means every epicenter of wealth is going down. Are you that stupid? What kind of schools did they have growing up in that hick-town Chicago? LONDON WILL LOSE 70,000 FINANCIAL JOBS within the next few months! California is near bankruptcy, and over 1 trillion dollars in person wealth from Californians has evaporated in the span of a few months. Property prices in Tokyo have dropped 75%, the money in Moscow is evaporating. Even Dubai is hurting. What part of world recession do you not understand?

You act as if we are in recession only for New Yorkers, you idiot. If there is no wealth in NYC, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Zurich then I shudder to even think of what will happen in Chicago.

alpine292: about 10 months ago

"when in fact, I can hazily recall my driver halting my S65 AMG"

Didn't you just aay that you ride around in a Maybach? What happened, you lost your job and had to DOWNGRADE to a S65? My my. So much for the recession only hitting poor people. See you at the soup line!

cleanslate: about 10 months ago

BRABUS is definitely amusing.

It must be more boring at the top having to socialize with all the superficial, pompous and stiff people over and over again. And once in a while there is no other way to get amusement other than boasting to a bunch of strangers and kicking them around a bit. :) Otherwise, wouldn't you be perfectly happy just lazing away and spending your money rather than wasting time talking with folks way beneath you? I think BRABUS needs real friends. :)

rufus, on the other hand, needs to get over it! Chicago still stinks!